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Post by stocky on Nov 16, 2012 9:32:51 GMT
FUCKFUCKFUCK Can't wait to get home and hear this shit :-D
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Post by Autobahn 66 on Nov 16, 2012 14:11:40 GMT
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Post by stocky on Nov 16, 2012 18:54:50 GMT
Hate to say it but first listen is a bit meh
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Post by jp on Nov 16, 2012 22:26:59 GMT
oh fuck off stocky. not only for disliking it but also saying "meh".
wish you really did disappear now and gutted you were the first person i told about losing my virginity 10 years ago.
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Post by stocky on Nov 16, 2012 22:42:56 GMT
Apologies for the word choice but I still stand by the feeling, it didn't blow me away on the first listen like Dr Lecter or Blue Chips. Still early days though
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 22:59:00 GMT
FRANK OCEAN IS GAY
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Nov 17, 2012 14:06:21 GMT
It's not great, is it? Half of it sounds pretty characterless after a few spins.
The first two albums/mixtapes/whateveryoucallthem were rammed with hooks. There's too many plodder on this. The Symbol is the best tune by some way.
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Post by Autobahn 66 on Nov 17, 2012 17:44:00 GMT
If you think the symbol is better than bitch I deserve you then lolz
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Nov 23, 2012 14:56:37 GMT
Pitchfork (who know everything about music) must have read my comment. I think the first two albums/mixtapes/whatever absolutely dick on Blue Chips so this is a big step from CLASSIC BRONSON. Still good though. Action Bronson and the Alchemist are an obvious pairing. Both revive and tweak classic New York rap, and are expertly good at doing so. Some things just make sense, and this is one of those things -- or at least you'd think it would be. On paper, their collaborative mixtape Rare Chandeliers should have no trouble living up to its expectations, but in practice it reveals cracks in Bronson's highly tailored aesthetic.
Bronson's profile has ballooned this year thanks to Blue Chips, his March mixtape with producer Party Supplies. It's funny now to think that just a year ago, it seemed like Bronson would never be able to shake those Ghostface comparisons. But on Blue Chips he fleshed out his own character, one that acts like Tony Soprano, travels like James Bond, and eats like Frank Bruni. Bronson's world is a carefully constructed fantasy, but he has both the deep imagination and wicked humor required to make the persona as engrossing as it is singular. It is no surprise that in the past year, Bronson has found a kindred spirt in Riff Raff, rap's foremost ridiculous yet rewarding character.
Blue Chips was Bronson's breakout, but if there's one thing that Rare Chandeliers makes clear, it's that Party Supplies' production had a crucial hand in why that album was a clear step up. The Alchemist's beats on Rare Chandeliers are perfectly good, but they do little to amplify Bronson's character. Blue Chips was sourced using samples ripped straight from YouTube and the slapdash, madcap production almost imagined Bronson as the star of his own blaxploitation film, which is what the cover of Rare Chandeliers aims to evoke. It was also the perfect fit for a rapper who spits punchlines as they come -- the track "5 Minute Beats 1 Take Raps" served as the album's unofficial motto. In spirit (though not quite sound), the production was an outgrowth of the two's deliriously fun "Contemporary Man," a one-off song where Bronson freestyled over a succession of 80s pop hits.
Five-minute beats isn't the Alchemist's style, and the precision here too often zaps Bronson's character of its color, in turn sapping the music of fun. There has always been a nastiness to Bronson-- especially towards women-- and that unfortunately gets played up on Rare Chandeliers, an album that is both darker and more stately in tone. The Bronson here is one who lurks in shadows, alleys, and cigar lounges and possesses little of the awareness of others displayed on Blue Chips joints like "Hookers at the Point" or "Thug Love Story 2012". The line between jokester and asshole is a blurry one, and on a track like "Demolition Man", you get the sense that maybe Bronson is starting to believe his own illusion.
There are times, though, when the duo strike gold; unsurprisingly, it's when they loosen things up and play with structure. "Randy the Musical" flips through three beats in four minutes, all of which feel like they were played by a live band. "Eggs on the Third Floor" likewise switches halfway through into a mimed cypher, which is essentially the ideal setting for Bronson's style of rapping. That's not to say that every Bronson song needs to be pull the rug out from under itself after 90 seconds, but that he's at his best and when his beats pump him with energy. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen enough here.
Of course, there are also songs like "The Symbol" or "Modern Day Revelations", where the very simple formula of "great beat plus great rapping" spits out enjoyable results. Relying on that formula shouldn't be a problem in of itself, but that easy repetition can soon offer diminishing returns. It is the same path that made one Curren$y EP indistinguishable from the next.
Rare Chandeliers offered itself as genius meeting of minds, and the album's core quality speaks precisely to the level of talent involved. But there is more to Bronson as an artist than merely matching him up with a stylistically similar producer, and Rare Chandeliers makes that clear. It knocks, yes, but it's more instructive than anything.
7.2
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Post by stocky on Nov 23, 2012 15:28:04 GMT
Given it a couple of spins now and i'm standing by my initial assessment, it's a bit disappointing.
The production is dull and doesn't seem to have as many hooks as Blue Chips / Dr Lecter. It seems like there's a deliberate attempt to make Bronson sound a bit more modern, Dr Lecter had quite a lot of soul and guitar samples and it really had a classic feel to it which in tern gave Bronson room to work. As the review above alludes to, it's all gone a bit more gangsta now both in terms of beats and lyrical content, his raps to me sound notably less fun than before. I also think his delivery sounds bit more tired on this one, maybe he's been enjoying life too much, fuck knows.
It's been out a week now, that should be enough time to gauge a reactions, what does everyone else think of it?
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Nov 23, 2012 15:46:21 GMT
I was listening to The Symbol earlier (best tune on it) and noticed the "Never mention all the crime I been a part of" line and I thought "Yeah, don't bother with all that bruv".
He doesn't need all that guff.
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Post by Belligerent Hype Man on Nov 23, 2012 17:28:06 GMT
It's been out a week now, that should be enough time to gauge a reactions, what does everyone else think of it? My take on it is, when it's good is brilliant but there are to many tunes on it that do nothing for me. Particular highlights are 'The Symbol', 'Sylvester Lundgren' and 'Randy The Musical'. Definitely his weakest release so far and by quite a distance.
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Post by Mr David on Nov 23, 2012 17:33:49 GMT
Eggs on the third floor is brilliant
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Post by schnook on Dec 1, 2012 21:01:56 GMT
Got to hop on with the consensus and say I'm a bit disappointed as well, it's not bad at all but if this was the first thing I heard by him I probably wouldn't be that inspired to investigate further. Brilliant cover art though.
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Dec 1, 2012 21:57:42 GMT
Another reason for Ibrahim Moizoos to self harm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 11:48:07 GMT
Got to hop on with the consensus and say I'm a bit disappointed as well, it's not bad at all but if this was the first thing I heard by him I probably wouldn't be that inspired to investigate further. Brilliant cover art though. Yep. 2 or 3 Bronson nuggets & the greatest artwork of all-time but the rest is pretty forgettable.
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Post by jp on Dec 2, 2012 15:08:24 GMT
i seem to be in the minority in that i really love it. even fit lee thinks its not as good as blue chips or dr lecter dr lecter will forever be the classic bronson lp i think but i prefer this to blue chips and well done. it definitley doesnt have as many hooks but musically i find it pretty interesting and lyrically it has some of my favourite bronson lines.
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Post by Belligerent Hype Man on Dec 10, 2012 18:17:01 GMT
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Dec 10, 2012 19:02:04 GMT
Who's in for Sunday btw?
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Post by Autobahn 66 on Dec 10, 2012 23:11:41 GMT
i seem to be in the minority in that i really love it. even fit lee thinks its not as good as blue chips or dr lecter dr lecter will forever be the classic bronson lp i think but i prefer this to blue chips and well done. it definitley doesnt have as many hooks but musically i find it pretty interesting and lyrically it has some of my favourite bronson lines. It's solid, great record. Eggs on the third floor is pure magic
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