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that's got me in the mood for some old unreleased earl







think he was 14/15 when he did these, absurd talent

I'm flying home and missing their Melbourne show by two fucking days !! Been offered a free ticket and sorely, sorely tempted to get my flights changed to get in about.

tbh, first thoughts after two listens are that OF are never gonna get the fuckin quality control to make a classic, only great cds ever made bearing their name will be folks own compilation mix cds.

Thought after Yonkers that Tyler might have nailed his boring-emo-drone-moan style tracks into some sort of perfection. Unfortunately, yonkers is the best of the bunch, analog is decent tho. Radicals is class, total banger. Tron Cat is solid. Everything featuring Hodgy is a highlight, brings oot the best in tyler (sandwitches on here is a better version than the single, still gutted they never re-did the chorus into the chant tho). Such a boring album on the whole tho, I can see Bastard getting remembered as Tyler's 'essential' album, which is ridiculous considering its only half-decent - yet still somehow better than this. I think OF need the variety of all members, left brain & tyler's best beats, and all of them firing on all cylinders to make an album worth listening to all through. Unlikely tho.

No hip-hop album should have an instrumental track among the best half of tracks.

Free Earl FFS

Yeah agreed with that, it's an obvious comparison, but Tyler needs to be a RZA, take Wu Tang who have a similar set up with numerous members vying for space, with the debut, he just took control and said to everyone 'i'm gonna do this and you trust me and then after that you can do your solo thing'. You're right, the best thing they can do is get some whether its Tyler, Earl or whoever to take an overview of everything and condense all the best bits into one solid album, its great they have this ethos of just putting out whatever they want but that works if you have a Liquid Swords or a Cuban Lynx in your locker, which unfortunately I don't think they do at the moment.

For me Hodgy is the star that shines brightest amongst the OF lot, followed by Earl and then Tyler. I don't see any quality control any time soon considering they are only signing 1 album deals and insisting on total creative freedom, add that to the fact that if you tell Tyler not to do something he's gonna do it.

wtf. hodgy is a limited, albeit improved talent. he isn't in the same galaxy as earl or tyler.

what's perhaps more ridiculous is forecasting a entire (odd) future career based on a fragmented album created without tylers best mate.

we basically know fuck all and they could go anywhere.

wu tang were a fantastical fluke of the like we may never see again. 9 or something rappers of supreme, individualistic quality, cohering together as one devastatingly exciting whole. and even then they only ever made one classic album as a group. odd future only have 2 genuine superstars and one of them is getting merked by the fuckin' samoans, yet they are a product of their times. they're simultaneously immature and becoming self-aware too fast. fortunately they have the talent and potential to take this in interesting new directions. they aren't wu tang, they have to go their own path and make their own fuck ups. goblin is just something else on the production line. they'll make their classic yet.

Goblin is by no means sounds like a classic album but imho the classic has become a genre in it's own right. Use the right pacing, themes etc and if you sell enough you can enter into the classic album cannon. I get the feeling he know's he can knock out an album of consistant Yonkers and Sandwiches but isn't interested in it (yet)

I'd rather take Goblin which has a few too many tracks that sound sedated (which still entertain even if is still with the odd couplet) than Tyler taking a stab at being Wu Tang MK2 or whatever. It may not be perfect but I get the feeling it's a genuine take on where his head is at and that gives it more value for me. The self awareness is a positive in my opinion, no ones naive to their commercial identity in 2011.

a really wonderful post sam, nailed it in a much more articulate, concise way than i ever could. insightful and perfectly put.

Cheers bro

Just seems that people (not just this forum) wanted a "classic hip hop album" rather than a Tyler The Creator album.

I don't necessarily see why that's a bad thing though, why wouldn't you want a great album? Why couldn't a Tyler, The Creator album also be a classic hip hop album? The Wu Tang comparison wasn't a plea for them or Tyler to start making similar music to them, I was just using it as a comparative reference point in terms of quality control and because they have obvious similarities in terms of set up.

I think most of us would agree that at the moment, and as Hepburn pointed out in his post, they are best listened to in compilation format, picking and choosing the best bits that have been scattered amongst various releases, maybe that is a sign of the times, maybe i'm old fashioned? I just think that, at the moment they seem fresh and exciting because of their antics and the hype is hitting hard and I love reading about them and watching interviews and I like their outlook on things, its fresh in hip-hop and its great to see. But the old fashioned part of me is a bit frustrated because there is obviously some real talent there that so far in their career, for me anyway, has amounted to nothing more musically than a string of average albums littered with moments of greatness, its great to trust an artist to do what they want to do and I agree with the point that it is maybe a genuine take on where he was at when he made Goblin, but at the same time, their is the potential to slip into self indulgence which I feel a lot of their overal output does and consequently suffers for it. I don't see why a genuinely great album has to be mutually exclusive from and album that comes from where Tyler is as an artist or person and I don't think he would have had to have released an album of Yonkers parts 1 through 12 to do that either.

That's not to say they won't make a great album, but I fear that once the hype dies down we may be left with a few moments of greatness but no defining record that they obviously have the potential to do.

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"I don't necessarily see why that's a bad thing though, why wouldn't you want a great album? Why couldn't a Tyler, The Creator album also be a classic hip hop album? The Wu Tang comparison wasn't a plea for them or Tyler to start making similar music to them, I was just using it as a comparative reference point in terms of quality control and because they have obvious similarities in terms of set up.

I think most of us would agree that at the moment, and as Hepburn pointed out in his post, they are best listened to in compilation format, picking and choosing the best bits that have been scattered amongst various releases, maybe that is a sign of the times, maybe i'm old fashioned? I just think that, at the moment they seem fresh and exciting because of their antics and the hype is hitting hard and I love reading about them and watching interviews and I like their outlook on things, its fresh in hip-hop and its great to see. But the old fashioned part of me is a bit frustrated because there is obviously some real talent there that so far in their career, for me anyway, has amounted to nothing more musically than a string of average albums littered with moments of greatness, its great to trust an artist to do what they want to do and I agree with the point that it is maybe a genuine take on where he was at when he made Goblin, but at the same time, their is the potential to slip into self indulgence which I feel a lot of their overal output does and consequently suffers for it. I don't see why a genuinely great album has to be mutually exclusive from and album that comes from where Tyler is as an artist or person and I don't think he would have had to have released an album of Yonkers parts 1 through 12 to do that either.

That's not to say they won't make a great album, but I fear that once the hype dies down we may be left with a few moments of greatness but no defining record that they obviously have the potential to do."

This


I've come to them completely fresh, avoiding (somehow) all the hype- i'd seen no interviews, no live performances and no videos.

I downloaded the tyler album, the earl sweatshirt album and the jet age of tomorrow (which i prefer to the earl and tyler albums) album from their website.

On first listen i was baffled at what all the hype was about.......it just seemed to be a couple of resonably talented kids talking about how great rape is and how much they want to torture poofs (all a bit tired in 2010/11).

I realise they're about more than that now, some clever lyrics alongside the nasty stuff and some excellent use of some fucking great samples.......but still utterly disappointing in comparison to the buzz around them.

I've seen the camden crawl show since and will definitely be checking them out at primavera, and hope Goblin is a step forwards (although i don't hold out much hope based on what people have said).

my moneys on hodgy & earl, tyler did good, he can rest now