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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:22:07 GMT
erm yes its actually just like that One could argue that what Gray and Keys said is worse than what Atkinson said. What Ron Atkinson said wasn't about a whole group of people, he was slagging off Desailly and used a racist term to describe him. These two are suggesting that women have no part to play in "their" sport and that women as a group know nothing about football. And they're fucking right  If a woman wants to be a linesman let her be a linesman in womens football. What's the next step? A woman as a referee, no player would take that serious would they? Apart from the fact women shouldn't be allowed within 2 miles of any football game it's also the simple fact that football players will never take women serious. It's just nature.. If I worked at a company and they were looking for a new executive they wouldn't pick me, even if I was the best employee they ever had. Simply because a 22-year old can't tell a 50-year old what to do. Are they racists for not giving me the job? Apart from all that, they were saying it off the record, right? There's no man on earth who have never made jokes about women and sports, so I guess we're all sexists? Jesus, what a bunch of hypocritical bullshit. Oh and comparing it to shit said about black people is a bad comparison. There are loads of black people in men's professional football, no women. Also, this has nothing to with resentment to one another but is clearly just a battle of the sexes thing, which is entirely human. If men and women were entirely equal/the same (they are equal because one is not better than another but I do not mean that) apart from sexual attraction there would be attraction between men and women. |
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:26:09 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself
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Post by monkeytennis on Jan 24, 2011 15:27:37 GMT
do football players take men seriously? male refs still get abused to fuck by players on a regular basis.
and your 22 year old vs 50 year old analogy, i don't really get that. stuart atwell was refereeing from 26 (even though he is shockingly shit). what has age got to do with gender?
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Post by monkeytennis on Jan 24, 2011 15:29:20 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself no because it's mens football, and they have womens football where men can't play. does that mean that men shouldn't be coaching womens teams? or that karren brady shouldn't be working in mens football? |
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:31:34 GMT
If they were good enough yes, we trained (my sunday team in Georgia) with one girl, (Johnny Cash's grandaughter as it goes) a mate of my friend who's played professionally in Iceland etc and she was so good, we asked if she wanted to play on the wing one game
I think on the whole women's football is weak but that's because there is a greater range of ability at the top level than the range of ability of men at the top level.
I'll reply properly in a minute but your first point, if she's no worse than men why should be condemned to a poorer standard just because she's not male
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:33:05 GMT
Yeah have you ever seen any 50 year old football player? But clearly as men and women are all the same, why don't they shower together in mixed sports?
I brought up the age thing because there are more things that count than just someones qualities. Ofcourse male referees get abused, that's because football is a sport of moments and you can easily get caught in the heat of it. They also get abused because a game deciding mistake is easily made. Still, only if women are allowed to play for professional mens football clubs, feminine linesmen and referees make any sense
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Post by eddiemurphy on Jan 24, 2011 15:33:33 GMT
If they were good enough yes, we trained (my sunday team in Georgia) with one girl, (Johnny Cash's grandaughter as it goes) a mate of my friend who's played professionally in Iceland etc and she was so good, we asked if she wanted to play on the wing one game I think on the whole women's football is weak but that's because there is a greater range of ability at the top level than the range of ability of men at the top level. I'll reply properly in a minute but your first point, if she's no worse than men why should be condemned to a poorer standard just because she's not male   |
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:36:12 GMT
do football players take men seriously? male refs still get abused to fuck by players on a regular basis. and your 22 year old vs 50 year old analogy, i don't really get that. stuart atwell was refereeing from 26 (even though he is shockingly shit). what has age got to do with gender? exactly |
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:36:16 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself no because it's mens football, and they have womens football where men can't play. does that mean that men shouldn't be coaching womens teams? or that karren brady shouldn't be working in mens football? Yes but why if a woman is good enough to play with men why can't she play together with men? I just heard someone say that if what has been said about the women was said about blacks everyone would go nuts. What if blacks couldn't play because it would be white men's football? Then you probably wouldn't say "oh that's no problem, it's white men's football, they can make a team with black people". You're all a bit contradicting yourselves. It's funny though |
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Post by partbrut on Jan 24, 2011 15:38:58 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself If you think officiating is the same as playing you probably shouldn't be talking about other people making fools of themselves. OMG guys did you see that man refereeing the women's Judo at the last Olympics? I nearly spat out my eyeball! |
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:40:56 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself If you think officiating is the same as playing you probably shouldn't be talking about other people making fools of themselves. OMG guys did you see that man refereeing the women's Judo at the last Olympics? I nearly spat out my eyeball! ;D |
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:40:57 GMT
Just another question. You all think that women should be allowed to play in men's football teams as well then? I better hope so, otherwise you are making big fools of yourself If you think officiating is the same as playing you probably shouldn't be talking about other people making fools of themselves. I think you're missing the point |
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Post by monkeytennis on Jan 24, 2011 15:41:12 GMT
Yeah have you ever seen any 50 year old football player? But clearly as men and women are all the same, why don't they shower together in mixed sports? I brought up the age thing because there are more things that count than just someones qualities. Ofcourse male referees get abused, that's because football is a sport of moments and you can easily get caught in the heat of it. They also get abused because a game deciding mistake is easily made. Still, only if women are allowed to play for professional mens football clubs, feminine linesmen and referees make any sense men and women aren't the same and the reason why there hasn't been any real push towards women playing in womens football (bar perugia's publicity-seeking) is that men at the top level are much stronger than women. even someone like messi is strong as fuck. that's a difference in the sexes (and don't get me wrong, i join in with the llolololoing at womens football). but there is nothing in the difference between the sexes which would hamper them from being effective officials. for keys and gray to suggest that she doesn't know the offside rule when she made them look like a pair of mugs by getting a big call spot on (which they didn't spot until after a replay) shows that maybe keys are gray are a pair of fucking out-of-touch idiots. and this isn't the first time this has been shown, far from it; keys of course being the chap who mused out loud whether del piero had been studying cronaldo's free kick technique  and gray questioning whether barcelona and messi could hack it against stoke and blackburn they are senseless dinosaurs who know shit all about football and i'd be delighted if they were sacked  |
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:42:51 GMT
Yeah have you ever seen any 50 year old football player? But clearly as men and women are all the same, why don't they shower together in mixed sports? I brought up the age thing because there are more things that count than just someones qualities. Ofcourse male referees get abused, that's because football is a sport of moments and you can easily get caught in the heat of it. They also get abused because a game deciding mistake is easily made. Still, only if women are allowed to play for professional mens football clubs, feminine linesmen and referees make any sense you've just been called on your red herring style shifting of the goalposts officiating is different from playing |
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:45:49 GMT
One could argue that what Gray and Keys said is worse than what Atkinson said. What Ron Atkinson said wasn't about a whole group of people, he was slagging off Desailly and used a racist term to describe him. These two are suggesting that women have no part to play in "their" sport and that women as a group know nothing about football. What's the next step? A woman as a referee, no player would take that serious would they? Its happened and they did |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 15:48:15 GMT
If living in the 50's is thinking it's wrong that two men that have served a company for over 20 years between the two of them have been sacked for having a private conversation that isn't politically correct then I'm glad to be living there.
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Post by henry on Jan 24, 2011 15:48:29 GMT
no because it's mens football, and they have womens football where men can't play. does that mean that men shouldn't be coaching womens teams? or that karren brady shouldn't be working in mens football? Yes but why if a woman is good enough to play with men why can't she play together with men? I just heard someone say that if what has been said about the women was said about blacks everyone would go nuts. What if blacks couldn't play because it would be white men's football? Then you probably wouldn't say "oh that's no problem, it's white men's football, they can make a team with black people". You're all a bit contradicting yourselves. It's funny though i'm not getting what you're saying here |
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:49:56 GMT
Yeah have you ever seen any 50 year old football player? But clearly as men and women are all the same, why don't they shower together in mixed sports? I brought up the age thing because there are more things that count than just someones qualities. Ofcourse male referees get abused, that's because football is a sport of moments and you can easily get caught in the heat of it. They also get abused because a game deciding mistake is easily made. Still, only if women are allowed to play for professional mens football clubs, feminine linesmen and referees make any sense you've just been called on your red herring style shifting of the goalposts officiating is different from playing Yes, ofcourse it's different. But still no one has cared to explain me that if you think that quality should always be first women can't play in men's sports? Why isn't having seperating men and women in sports sexist where working in an office with entirely men or women definitely would be? The only thing I have heard is that women could never be as good as men. Probably so, but how can you know? First of all, women don't have the chance to get the same kind of training that men get and therefore have less chance to totally fullfil their potential. Second of all, theoretically there could always be one who is just as good or better. Just because the world has never lived in peace it doesn't mean it could happen. So much questions, so little answers |
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Post by monkeytennis on Jan 24, 2011 15:53:02 GMT
why isn't serena williams allowed to play singles against roger federer?
why is there no uproar about a mixture of sexes officiating tennis?
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Post by secondcoming on Jan 24, 2011 15:53:30 GMT
Yes but why if a woman is good enough to play with men why can't she play together with men? I just heard someone say that if what has been said about the women was said about blacks everyone would go nuts. What if blacks couldn't play because it would be white men's football? Then you probably wouldn't say "oh that's no problem, it's white men's football, they can make a team with black people". You're all a bit contradicting yourselves. It's funny though i'm not getting what you're saying here There's been said that if Gray and Keys said something they same thing they said about women about black people the whole country would go nuts. Thereby there's been implied that no one really cares what they say about women So if you can compare being black and being women with each other why is it that if there was a rule about black people can not play football together with people no one cares that women can't play football with men? |
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If a woman wants to be a linesman let her be a linesman in womens football. What's the next step? A woman as a referee, no player would take that serious would they? 
and gray questioning whether barcelona and messi could hack it against stoke and blackburn 