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Post by eddiemurphy on Apr 18, 2011 16:49:59 GMT
not even announced a tour yet. what's up with them twats. they should do a bends and ok computer album tour. only like about 10 songs from kid a onwards.
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Post by Andy on Apr 18, 2011 17:01:09 GMT
It'll no doubt be another open air gig tour anyway. Like Spinning Plates doesn't really work outside with 20,000 folk.
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Post by monkeytennis on Apr 18, 2011 20:08:37 GMT
what if there are 20,000 plates.
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Apr 18, 2011 20:39:48 GMT
not even announced a tour yet. Probably upset the album flopped
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Post by bennn on Apr 18, 2011 20:57:16 GMT
Not a word. I read rumors that they werent going to tour at all this year, but no confirmation. I imagine they just may be waiting to get the album completely out. That stupid newspaper edition hasnt even been released yet.
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Post by Supernøva on Apr 19, 2011 9:58:31 GMT
maybe it's a good thing nobody really cares about this album. Reality check for them.
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Post by eddiemurphy on Apr 19, 2011 16:48:45 GMT
maybe it's a good thing nobody really cares about this album. Reality check for them. they ain't bothered anymore though are they. made plenty out of it. if they'd wanted this album to have more profile they would have resigned with emi.
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Post by ny on Apr 19, 2011 17:03:43 GMT
you lot are mad. the album is beautiful, i enjoy it way more than the last 3. i am excited about the limited edition thing, i missed out on the in rainbows box, but i am getting this supercollider is fucking brilliant, up there with lotus flower, seperator & codex as the best from this era. it was apparently finished last month. as for the butcher, it was mied with the rest of TKOL but the band felt that it didnt fit in...
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Post by browno on Apr 19, 2011 17:24:49 GMT
You fucking ratkiller.
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Post by ny on Apr 19, 2011 18:11:23 GMT
i havent killed a rat in 8 years, FFS
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Post by abs on Apr 19, 2011 18:30:38 GMT
They need to fucking tour ASAP.
Maybe we should make an "Andy finally leaves his house" benefit gig. Get Radiohead to come, and find Andy's parents and then make them into chilli...oh wait I'm getting confused with something else here
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Apr 25, 2011 20:02:41 GMT
Just read the below from the NME. Second time they have summed up my feelings on a band perfectly lately. Scary times. If they do some free Liam Gallagher posters I might buy it again Here are some things that have been written about ‘The King Of Limbs’. Apparently “it feels timely – released just as the country protested the privatisation of its own forests, but also in tune with the turn of the year, buzzing with fresh life right on the cusp of the vernal equinox”. We’ve learnt that “it stops short intentionally, almost confrontationally, as if Radiohead are trying to ask a new kind of question about their music”. One publication was moved to call it “a radical reinvention that fuses timeless langour with post-modern darkness over towering ziggurat electronica”.
The last one of those is a spoof (not that you could tell) that ran in the week before the album landed, on Vice’s website. But it’s not like you’d have to look hard to find more beyond-parodic musings. Another tells us we can take Thom merely singing the line “Open your mouth wide” as “shorthand for the primal self-expression and un-tethered imaginative possibilities that remain the source of great art and music, and which exist in their purest form in the free jazz, folk idioms and experimentation for its own sake that Radiohead seem to be looking to for inspiration”.
But enough sniggering at over-analysis of Radiohead, fun as it is. The thing that all of these reviews have in common is that they all conclude that ‘The King Of Limbs’ is Radiohead treading water musically. All of them. Every single one. There are excuses made for this: maybe this is just “throat clearing” for other soon-to-come releases. It might be “an attempt to deliberately downsize expectations” (a claim that mirrors Spinal Tap manager Ian Faith’s claim in the film that his band’s “appeal is becoming more selective”). Pitchfork awarded the album 7.9 out of 10. 7.9! What is that, a hi-hat sound away from 8?
Bottom line: that tree? If Thom chainsawed it down and built a fence, it would collapse under the weight of bums perched on it. A couple of weeks after the dust has settled – and ‘The King Of Limbs’ is available as a ‘Man’-defying jewel-case CD in HMV – the simple truth is clear: Radiohead have made a crap album that no-one wants to say is crap. Or rather, no-one wants to believe the truth that the pioneering, sticking-it-to-the-man jig is up, and Radiohead are going to live out the rest of their existence putting out Flying Lotus/Four Tet impersonations. This is fine for them – why Liam G gets stick for putting out music that sounds a lot like the stuff he loves and they don’t is a gripe for another day – but what does it mean for everyone else out there? If the reviews of ‘The King Of Limbs’ show anything, it is that where Radiohead go, others will follow and believe, no matter what.
The ‘Radiohead Way’ has been taken as modus operandi by a generation. Thou shalt always be “innovative”. Thou shalt release thine records in an “innovative” fashion and not care about money or people taking it for free. Thou shalt hate The Man. So what happens when they’re not doing any of this anymore? When they’ve effectively cut the apron strings, have led people into a war, and are – as ‘The King Of Limbs’ suggests and its reviews hint at – ducking out of it entirely, with the intention of becoming just a band, who make music they like and sell it?
To expand on an oft-repeated argument, Radiohead’s views on the music biz are more than simplistic and insulting. They’re dangerous. When you’ve had the luxury of a decade selling albums for £14.99 a pop, and the chance to take a couple of mil to headline V Festival, and encouraged people to ‘pay what they like’ for your album when your renegotiations with a (very) major label fail, it’s easy to go around saying the industry is evil/fucked, and for Ed O’Brien to make wildly ill-informed claims like, “You’ve got to license out more music, more Spotifys, more websites selling more music. You’ve got to make it slightly cheaper to get music in order to compete with peer-to-peers.” Here are the facts: no-one has been paid anything significant for Spotify plays. Ask the numerous bands who are perceived as being big – I’ll spare them the indignity of being named – but still work day jobs.
Ed O’Brien wouldn’t know this, because a) he doesn’t really need to know, as his mortgage is covered by ‘OK Computer’; and b) he has clearly done zero research. Saying it is up to the evil multinationals to find a way of monetising music is utter bullshit. Their whole ‘Us Versus The Music Business Capitalists’ schtick is paper-thin rhetoric with zero basis in reality, and boils down to nothing more than a marketing gimmick to help them sell more copies of Radiohead albums. Double pack, with a photograph, extra track, a tacky badge, and the feeling you are taking on the corporate evil.
Another fact: everything Radiohead do is a marketing gimmick, and not a selfless leading of the way for younger bands to follow. The ‘pay what you like’ ‘In Rainbows’ scheme was good for them, getting yet more bloggers championing their subversive ways. But the money they lost would have been spent on marketing anyway. Asked in 2009 whether he thought the ‘honesty box’ scheme worked, Thom Yorke said: “Oh, yeah. It worked on two or three different levels. The first level is just sort of getting a point across that we wanted to get across about music being valuable.
"It also worked as a way of using the internet to promote your record, without having to use iTunes or Google or whatever. You rely on the fact that you know a lot of people want to hear it. You don’t want to have to go to the radio first and go through all that bullshit about ‘What’s the first single?’, you don’t want to have to go to the press. That was my thing, like, I am not giving it to the press two months early so they can tear it to shreds and destroy it for people before they’ve even heard it. And it worked on that level. And it also worked financially.” The key part there is: “rely on the fact you know a lot of people want to hear it”.
For everyone else with a brain, the biggest, most-looked-to band in England doing this was cheapening music, and massively accelerating the process of making being in a band full-time impossible. Why, ask music fans, should I pay full whack for a Horrors album when Radiohead – the saviours, the overlords – are giving theirs away for next to nothing? This at a time when it is crucial people realise that the bands they have only just started to love will simply not exist without financial support.
There is no way you can say that an honesty box scheme is a viable business plan for a new band nobody has yet heard of. Same thing with ‘The King Of Limbs’. It’s easy to stick a record out with no promotion for next to nothing when you’re Radiohead. But who else can get away with it? Radiohead, of course, are simply sticking to their boneheaded stance that “When the corporate industry dies it will be no great loss to the world”, that the internet is brilliant, and that glitchy laptop beats give you a moral high ground over people with guitars.
What they are certainly not doing is providing any answers – or going by the new album, any music – with any substance. If, for example, they had gone public with what went right and wrong with the honesty box thing, then talked about how they were going to improve it this time around, how it could work for others, then they would be heroes. But they don’t. They remain silent – read “enigmatic” – save for a few vacuous and incomprehensible – read “mysterious” – soundbites, because they know this is what people want from them, what guarantees more fawning analysis, and sells their records. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?
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Post by Andy on Apr 25, 2011 22:50:16 GMT
Couldn't give a fuck about the tree or what some idiot thinks about their "marketing strategy", the album is compiled of excellent tunes that I can't get enough of. As always.
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Post by srk on Apr 25, 2011 23:53:46 GMT
Forget the marketing stuff, which he's kind of right on...this: "the simple truth is clear: Radiohead have made a crap album that no-one wants to say is crap."
...bang on.
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Post by ny on Apr 26, 2011 0:16:19 GMT
okay - few valid points. also,guy doesnt like radiohead (it is very clear) dont you guys think it would make this a little biased?
"radiohead have made a crap album" - sure, that is his opinion. though he doesnt really tell me WHY he thinks that. instead, he's off about what they do/say, and their in rainbows pay what you like campaign. clearly this man isnt an idiot, but he does the exact opposite - its "cool" to "hate" radiohead.
truth is, they'll never make another ok computer or the bends. another truth? whatever they do is pretty fucking good. sure, there are some shitty stuff here and there. but guess what? even the beatles had shitty stuff.
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Post by srk on Apr 26, 2011 1:58:10 GMT
The funny thing is it's not a bad album in and of itself. Radiohead's already made a bad album (hail to the thief), but the problem with this one is that it's...inconsequential. 8 mostly dull songs that don't go anywhere. Which, after a 3 year wait, is pretty disappointing.
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Post by barny on Apr 26, 2011 12:09:10 GMT
So Simone has finally got his deserved opinion column...
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Post by krburg on Apr 26, 2011 12:23:31 GMT
I was walking across Tower Bridge the other morning and the sun just came out of the clouds and Little by Little came on my ipod, it sounded huge.
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Post by krburg on Apr 26, 2011 12:26:34 GMT
Oh yeah and the guy seems to think in that article that Radiohead for some reason 'owe' something to the industry or their fans, which is a ludicrous opinion indeed.
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Post by abs on Apr 26, 2011 18:48:53 GMT
Just read the below from the NME. Second time they have summed up my feelings on a band perfectly lately. Scary times. If they do some free Liam Gallagher posters I might buy it again Here are some things that have been written about ‘The King Of Limbs’. Apparently “it feels timely – released just as the country protested the privatisation of its own forests, but also in tune with the turn of the year, buzzing with fresh life right on the cusp of the vernal equinox”. We’ve learnt that “it stops short intentionally, almost confrontationally, as if Radiohead are trying to ask a new kind of question about their music”. One publication was moved to call it “a radical reinvention that fuses timeless langour with post-modern darkness over towering ziggurat electronica”.
The last one of those is a spoof (not that you could tell) that ran in the week before the album landed, on Vice’s website. But it’s not like you’d have to look hard to find more beyond-parodic musings. Another tells us we can take Thom merely singing the line “Open your mouth wide” as “shorthand for the primal self-expression and un-tethered imaginative possibilities that remain the source of great art and music, and which exist in their purest form in the free jazz, folk idioms and experimentation for its own sake that Radiohead seem to be looking to for inspiration”.
But enough sniggering at over-analysis of Radiohead, fun as it is. The thing that all of these reviews have in common is that they all conclude that ‘The King Of Limbs’ is Radiohead treading water musically. All of them. Every single one. There are excuses made for this: maybe this is just “throat clearing” for other soon-to-come releases. It might be “an attempt to deliberately downsize expectations” (a claim that mirrors Spinal Tap manager Ian Faith’s claim in the film that his band’s “appeal is becoming more selective”). Pitchfork awarded the album 7.9 out of 10. 7.9! What is that, a hi-hat sound away from 8?
Bottom line: that tree? If Thom chainsawed it down and built a fence, it would collapse under the weight of bums perched on it. A couple of weeks after the dust has settled – and ‘The King Of Limbs’ is available as a ‘Man’-defying jewel-case CD in HMV – the simple truth is clear: Radiohead have made a crap album that no-one wants to say is crap. Or rather, no-one wants to believe the truth that the pioneering, sticking-it-to-the-man jig is up, and Radiohead are going to live out the rest of their existence putting out Flying Lotus/Four Tet impersonations. This is fine for them – why Liam G gets stick for putting out music that sounds a lot like the stuff he loves and they don’t is a gripe for another day – but what does it mean for everyone else out there? If the reviews of ‘The King Of Limbs’ show anything, it is that where Radiohead go, others will follow and believe, no matter what.
The ‘Radiohead Way’ has been taken as modus operandi by a generation. Thou shalt always be “innovative”. Thou shalt release thine records in an “innovative” fashion and not care about money or people taking it for free. Thou shalt hate The Man. So what happens when they’re not doing any of this anymore? When they’ve effectively cut the apron strings, have led people into a war, and are – as ‘The King Of Limbs’ suggests and its reviews hint at – ducking out of it entirely, with the intention of becoming just a band, who make music they like and sell it?
To expand on an oft-repeated argument, Radiohead’s views on the music biz are more than simplistic and insulting. They’re dangerous. When you’ve had the luxury of a decade selling albums for £14.99 a pop, and the chance to take a couple of mil to headline V Festival, and encouraged people to ‘pay what they like’ for your album when your renegotiations with a (very) major label fail, it’s easy to go around saying the industry is evil/fucked, and for Ed O’Brien to make wildly ill-informed claims like, “You’ve got to license out more music, more Spotifys, more websites selling more music. You’ve got to make it slightly cheaper to get music in order to compete with peer-to-peers.” Here are the facts: no-one has been paid anything significant for Spotify plays. Ask the numerous bands who are perceived as being big – I’ll spare them the indignity of being named – but still work day jobs.
Ed O’Brien wouldn’t know this, because a) he doesn’t really need to know, as his mortgage is covered by ‘OK Computer’; and b) he has clearly done zero research. Saying it is up to the evil multinationals to find a way of monetising music is utter bullshit. Their whole ‘Us Versus The Music Business Capitalists’ schtick is paper-thin rhetoric with zero basis in reality, and boils down to nothing more than a marketing gimmick to help them sell more copies of Radiohead albums. Double pack, with a photograph, extra track, a tacky badge, and the feeling you are taking on the corporate evil.
Another fact: everything Radiohead do is a marketing gimmick, and not a selfless leading of the way for younger bands to follow. The ‘pay what you like’ ‘In Rainbows’ scheme was good for them, getting yet more bloggers championing their subversive ways. But the money they lost would have been spent on marketing anyway. Asked in 2009 whether he thought the ‘honesty box’ scheme worked, Thom Yorke said: “Oh, yeah. It worked on two or three different levels. The first level is just sort of getting a point across that we wanted to get across about music being valuable.
"It also worked as a way of using the internet to promote your record, without having to use iTunes or Google or whatever. You rely on the fact that you know a lot of people want to hear it. You don’t want to have to go to the radio first and go through all that bullshit about ‘What’s the first single?’, you don’t want to have to go to the press. That was my thing, like, I am not giving it to the press two months early so they can tear it to shreds and destroy it for people before they’ve even heard it. And it worked on that level. And it also worked financially.” The key part there is: “rely on the fact you know a lot of people want to hear it”.
For everyone else with a brain, the biggest, most-looked-to band in England doing this was cheapening music, and massively accelerating the process of making being in a band full-time impossible. Why, ask music fans, should I pay full whack for a Horrors album when Radiohead – the saviours, the overlords – are giving theirs away for next to nothing? This at a time when it is crucial people realise that the bands they have only just started to love will simply not exist without financial support.
There is no way you can say that an honesty box scheme is a viable business plan for a new band nobody has yet heard of. Same thing with ‘The King Of Limbs’. It’s easy to stick a record out with no promotion for next to nothing when you’re Radiohead. But who else can get away with it? Radiohead, of course, are simply sticking to their boneheaded stance that “When the corporate industry dies it will be no great loss to the world”, that the internet is brilliant, and that glitchy laptop beats give you a moral high ground over people with guitars.
What they are certainly not doing is providing any answers – or going by the new album, any music – with any substance. If, for example, they had gone public with what went right and wrong with the honesty box thing, then talked about how they were going to improve it this time around, how it could work for others, then they would be heroes. But they don’t. They remain silent – read “enigmatic” – save for a few vacuous and incomprehensible – read “mysterious” – soundbites, because they know this is what people want from them, what guarantees more fawning analysis, and sells their records. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated? Fucking terrible article. TKOL is a disappointing album by Radiohead's standards, and lots of fans have said as much. Some fans genuinely love it, some fans are probably pretending to love it, but plenty have said it's not that great. When they did "pay what you want" with In Rainbows, not for one minute did they suggest that the rest of the industry should be doing that. But it did get people to think about the value they put on music. The point wasn't that they think all music should be free, but it should be charged at a more acceptable value and that people are more than willing to pay for music, even when they don't have to pay a penny. People might have that committment to Radiohead, but equally I'm sure plenty of people didn't pay by the justification that Radiohead didn't need the money, and those people would pay if it was a smaller band whos songs they'd heard on LastFM/Spotify. Plus although their last album was mostly electronica, In Rainbows was as much guitar based as anything since The Bends. They used to regularly put out playlists which had the likes of Neil Young, (old) Kings of Leon etc etc. Hamish McBain is a complete prick and probably the worst NME journalist going, which is saying a hell of a lot. He also reminds me of Columbia_Rocks_Man a little, which is never a good thing.
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