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Post by leanne on Aug 13, 2010 14:18:26 GMT
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Post by floz on Aug 14, 2010 9:36:45 GMT
Yes I will be
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Post by floz on Aug 20, 2010 1:46:01 GMT
I'm sure you'll agree Byram, all faith schools, regardless of the faith they promote, should be abolished.  |
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Post by Columbia_rocks_man on Aug 21, 2010 10:29:25 GMT
I'm sure you'll agree Byram, all faith schools, regardless of the faith they promote, should be abolished. That's a rather totalitarian viewpoint. Although an unsurprising one coming from an unreconstucted communist. Surely a much more liberal, and practical, idea would be to suggest that government funding for faith schools should be suspended. If a church wants to continue providing education out of its own pocket, and parents want to send their children to such schools, then that's up to them. |
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Post by floz on Aug 21, 2010 11:52:43 GMT
Parent's would still be forcing it on their children and if they didn't get public money the churches would seek private finance and then there'd be even less regulation of the shit they pathetically call teaching. (Which is exactly what the Con-Dems are doing right now with the expansion of Acadamies and Free Schools). There are plenty of other options for learning about faith if you really want to brainwash your child (i.e. Church, Sunday School) you should not be allowed to compromise their education for it. also  @ 'unreconstucted communist.' |
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Post by partbrut on Aug 21, 2010 12:09:57 GMT
Since you seem so indignant about this I'm curious, did you go to a faith school? I did for primary and secondary and have no complaints of any having (to paraphrase) pathetic shit being forced on me
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Post by leanne on Aug 21, 2010 12:16:24 GMT
Just seen this, I don't think the muslim schools did themselves any favours by being the only ones who opened themselves up to the cameras. Admirable in a way I guess, until you realise it's only because they're the only ones who actually STILL believe their nonsense.
I reckon 90% of the clergy in this country are actually atheists.
Also I'm not sure that non-muslim attendees of these schools believe in any greater numbers than non-faith school goers.
Faith schools are just a way of the middle classes securing a decent education for their off spring without having to pay for it. This is the real problem imo (despite what was claimed in the programme), it creates a two tier state system.
Whether or not kids growing up believing in some sky pixie isn't THAT big of a problem.
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Post by floz on Aug 21, 2010 17:29:30 GMT
Since you seem so indignant about this I'm curious, did you go to a faith school? I did for primary and secondary and have no complaints of any having (to paraphrase) pathetic shit being forced on me No. Does that mean my opinion is invalid? Is Professor Dawkins'? Are all faith schools as moderate as those you attended? |
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Post by Columbia_rocks_man on Aug 25, 2010 18:39:08 GMT
Parent's would still be forcing it on their children and if they didn't get public money the churches would seek private finance and then there'd be even less regulation of the shit they pathetically call teaching.' Pish. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what constitutes a ''faith'' school in the UK other than the little you've picked up from a single Dawkins opinion programme on television. I went to a bog standard state school, but I know dozens of people of who went to catholic schools, and without exception, the quality of education they recieved was far higher. Sure they were taught pretty much 0 sex education, which I don't agree with, but in general there seems to be more respect, discipline and a desire to learn amongst pupils at such schools. And contrary to what you probably believe, there are just as many non-believers and athesits and people who generally don't give a fuck at faith schools as there is anywhere else. They teach the same cold, hard, scientific facts as other schools. They don't teach creationism. The UK, no matter how hard Dawkins and his ilk try to pretend otherwise, is not bible-belt America. I actually object to the idea of anything other than secular education, but I object to the modern cult of militant, intolerant and generally moronic atheists far, far more. They preach their own beliefs and discount the views of others more than even the most fundemental of Muslims. |
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Post by floz on Aug 25, 2010 20:09:31 GMT
Pish. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of what constitutes a ''faith'' school in the UK other than the little you've picked up from a single Dawkins opinion programme on television. Aye, not like I'm pursuing a career in teaching or have friends who have attended faith schools.  The same can probably be said for most private schools - has as much to do with pushy middle class parents and the exclusion of poorer students with more troubled backgrounds as anything else. Hardly engenders a well balanced world view does it. Lets not forget Byram attended private schooling. Faith schools can and do refuse to employ teachers who don't follow their faith. As for Creationism, I think you'll find that depends on the school, and the faith. Certainly evolution is taught in most Christian faith schools - but reconciled to the idea of God as an Intelligent Designer, which fundamentally contradicts scientific understanding of evolutionary theory. Complacency on this issue will only make things worse. Quite clearly false as you are defending faith schools existence. I am not anti-theist, I fully believe in the right of everyone to choose their religion (including no religion) and practice it every day. However it is a personal choice, not a parental one (and certainly not one that should be made half-heartedly just to get your child into a school with high league rankings), and faith has no place in any dealing of the state - and education is a major responsibility of the state. |
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@ 'unreconstucted communist.'