Fat Sam's talking shite again

This is surely The Big Sam's moment on Twitter. I wonder what they have come up with.....

after this i'm starting to think that fake one on twitter is actually him

Allardyce can be glorious value can't he

A good article thoughtfully putting the boot in: www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=8948

'In Sam’s mind, he is a behemoth, a tactical genius with man-management skills that are unrivalled'

THE BIG SAM HAS POSTED.

GOT A FEELING IT COULD BE ANOTHER 4 TWEETS BEFORE THE GREATNESS OF THE TWEETS BECOMES CLEAR:

twitter.com/TheBig_Sam

My fave Big Sam moment was:

# Fucking love *NSYNC. 25 August 2010 17:47:32 via web

# POP. 25 August 2010 17:47:01 via web

# be... 25 August 2010 17:46:55 via web

# must... 25 August 2010 17:46:50 via web

# This... 25 August 2010 17:46:43 via web

# Your body starts to rock. Baby you can't stop. And the music's all you got, come on now... 25 August 2010 17:46:34 via web

# when... 25 August 2010 17:44:13 via web

# it... 25 August 2010 17:44:07 via web

# Feel... 6:43 PM Aug 25th via web

# Do you ever wonder why, this music gets you high? It takes you on a ride... 6:43 PM Aug 25th via web

The lights are dimmed, the scented candles are lit, I'm wearing a silk robe & 'I Swear' by All-4-One is on the stereo. I'm having me a wank.
11:02 PM Sep 14th via Twitter for iPhone

Legend!

awful man, decent manager at shite clubs with no expectations, had a chance at Newcastle, all be it maybe not a long enough one but bought a load of shite when he had money to spend and has a worse managerial record than Dalglish up here, enough said

Fuck off, as opposed to shite clubs with ridiculously high expectations that haven't won anything in years like Newcastle?

I agree his recent outbursts haven't done him any favours but they're tongue in cheek one would think. At Newcastle he took a team that had finished 4 points from the drop zone under Roeder, got them to relative mid table safety (9 points off the drop zone when he got the axe) at which point you lot went mental and got Keegan in and went into decline ever since.

As for his signings:

Rozenhal signed for £3 million, left for £3 million
Alan Smith - ended up becoming a regular for you and your captain
Viduka - free transfer, did pretty well for you
Barton - obviously had talent, wasn't Sam's fault he went off the rails but is still a regular for you
Habib Beye - didn't he get signed for £2 million and end up becoming a fan favourite?

Yeah that's a real load of shite he bought there isn't it?

By the way we've finished top 10 4 times in the last 5 seasons and wouldve finished top 10 the other season had Paul Ince not fucked us over (good job Sam saved us from the drop). Our expectations should be to finish top 10 again.

The last time Newcastle finished top 10 was 05-06. Your hopes should be to stay up, you might have beat Everton and Villa but you also got dicked on at home by Blackpool.

Absolute shite. We were playing awful under him and he would have took us down imo. His signings weren't great at all, Beye, Enrique and Faye being the exceptions. Smith was one of his worst signings and most Newcastle fans didn't even want him in the team last season. Geremi, Smith, Viduka and Cacapa were not good signings. Keegan changed the system and we ended that season playing good football and looking comfortable.

Our fans expectations have dropped majorly and this season most of our fans would be happy to survive. I don't know how you can call Newcastle a shit club. Its got a lot more going for it than fucking Blackburn Rovers and your gobshite manager. It must be great to play in front of loads of empty seats for a club nobody outside of Blackburn gives a shite about.

how can newcastle who have never won anything in your life have more going for it than blackburn who have won the premier league?

He would have taken you down?! You were 9 points off the drop zone when he left FFS

You went down the season afterwards, I'd say taking you up to mid table safety when you'd spent the last season near the drop zone and the following season getting relegated was quite clearly much better than anyone else managed in that three year period, and god knows you had enough managers in that time.

Geremi didn't work out at Newcastle but wasn't exactly a bad player - someone who's won the Champions League twice and had been previously signed by Jose Mourinho wasn't really a bad move by Sam. Viduka and Cacapa you signed on free transfers so no biggie but Viduka's return wasnt bad for someone signed on a free and he'd scored 20 goals the season before he joined you.

Granted his signings were a mixed bag like most managers at most clubs but when your own fans like morningglory are claiming he just signed shite at Newcastle they're clearly talking rubbish. When you couple that with his excellent transfer record at Bolton and Rovers and it's hardly a stick to beat him with.

And all this shit about our low attendances is laughable really. We're a town football club in probably the biggest footballing hotbed in the entire world - the North West of England - with an extraordinary amount of successful teams with proud traditions - not just the obvious Liverpool, Man U etc but also teams like Preston and Blackpool who at various times previous were up there with the best and who still have pretty strong followings. Our town is 125,000, bordered by Championship or above sides on every corner and yet we still pull in 25,000.

The North East of England has Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Newcastle and Hartlepool, all of whom have basically won next to fuck all in their post war history and so as a football fan in the whole of the North East you've basically got a choice between a load of loser clubs. The fact you get such big crowds is testament to the fact you're a the biggest city (a one club city no less) in that area of the country. Nothing else. You're the only club on Tyneside - population 800,000 according to wiki. If you were as good at pulling in crowds as we were, you'd need to build a stadium which could hold 160,000.

It's nice to know what it feels like to be Champions of England though.

aye ok maybe it was a little bit too much saying all his signings were shite, however, viduka was injury prone and the wrong side of 30, geremi legs were gone (a common fact that people knew when he signed), Alan Smith was a signing we didnt need, Cacapa was well past 30 legs gone, fair play he was on a free, however i bet he was on about 60k a week (one of the reasons our club was in so much debt was far in excess wages).

Im not turning this into a newcastle vs blackburn debate as we are talking about fat sam not which club is better, bigger etc etc. However yes we should be looking at survival rather than europe, not all of our fans are the deluded crop you see in SSN etc. Anything better than 18th and we can build again next year!

I digress however, back to fat sam. He played awful football, moaned about everything, brought a load of backroom staff in supposed to solve problems with injuries etc etc, all bollocks didnt work. I have no doubt however that if he stayed we would not have went down and there wouldnt have been as much turmoil off the pitch. However this does not suggest he is not a deluded cunt.

FUCK ME, I just wrote a post and was going to say at the end, how long is it going to be before Abs brings up catchment areas and the like, unbelievable. The king of digression taking the argument completely away from what it was ever supposed to be about onto the safe footing of one of his pre-packaged rants yet again. How 'well' a cub performs for fans is meaningless here. An extreme example: maybe a greater percentage of Andorrans support Andorra that Russians support Russia, Russia are still the bigger football nation though, good for the Andorrans, but it's irrelevant

Anyway, wha's with these spurious facts that come out EVERY TIME Allardyce at Newcastle is mentioned? Roeder's last season ended when we went out of Europe, in no danger of relegation. We coasted in the league and only won 1 of our last 12 or something, so that stat isn't representative at all, Optajoe. I told you this before.

My take on Allardyce's Newcastle signings:

Viduka - Known crock on massive wages. Started about 20 games in 2 years. Good player, awful signing
Barton - Was actually unlucky with injuries tbh
Rozenhal - Total liability, dogshit
Geremi - Insane wages, zero return. Possibly due to onset of rigor mortis, replaced Scott Parker as captain - joke.
Smith - I actually enjoyed your efforts to put a positive spin on this one The worst of the lot
Cacapa - Possibly snagged by accident during Geremi excavation. Sub-woeful
Jose Enrique - Great player, had to wait for Allardyce to fuck off before we found that out though. Apparently Charles N'Zogbia is a better left back
Faye - Good in a Big Sam-style team
Beye - The only unequivocally good signing he made

And 90% of those were on big, big money, he was like a fat headed cunt in a sweetshop. You're really betraying the massive bee in your bonnet you have about us by bringing up all that other stuff about what expectations should be and what teams have won etc etc, that was never the point. He inherrited a team with big expectations (rightly or wrongly), he had players like Given, Emre, Duff, N'Zogbia, Milner, Martins and Owen. He spent big on adding to that and the result was a disaster, why can't you accept the testament of people who actually watched us start plummeting?

Funny you bring up Paul Ince though, since Allardyce was essentially our Ince. No wait, that's not fair, we gave Allardyce longer tbh.

edit: wrote that when your tone was more antagonistic, apologies for any snittyness

Yeah I took umbrage at you saying we were a shit club with low expectations but we'll leave that out.

Sam's football isn't exactly great on the eye by a long stretch but at the end of the day winning a game, even if it isn't with fantastic football, will always be a more enjoyable experience for the fan than losing a game and playing attractive football. Celebrating going 1-0 up in a game with a goal straight out of the hoofball manual will always be better than celebrating a beautifully worked goal to take you from 4-0 to 4-1. Sam did an okay job at Newcastle all in all, not good not bad - yes he's a smug arrogant cunt at the best of times but the things he tried to implement at Newcastle will have taken time. Managers should be judged on results first and foremost and they read that he'd been improving your league performance compared to the previous year. And Bolton's style of football improved the longer he was there once he got the likes of Okocha and Anelka on board.

And yes these recent comments are pretty ridiculous to be fair, but he's also right in thinking he doesnt get enough credit as a manager. It's a common misconception he failed at Newcastle; yes he was given the boot but he's a manager to be judged on results and overall his results were acceptable given the circumstances. People also don't take into account what he achieved at Bolton, getting them a couple of points away from the Champions' League one season and getting some great players to play for them and now what he's doing with us on zero money.

But you ask the average fan if Sam's a good manager and the resounding answer would be "no", which isn't true.

Yeah that Andorra Russia argument kind of falls down and actually proves my point because Russia are actually far, far better at football than Andorra. The same can't be said for Newcastle and Rovers. I mean Russia are a pretty underachieving football nation anyway but if Andorra were achieving better than what Russia did in football, there'd be absolutely no credit in Russia saying "yeah but we fill our stadium in Moscow three times as much lololol" - if anything it would be a source of great embarassment for Russia that a country the size of Andorra was out performing them.

"We were coasting" - right so the players weren't really trying to win their games? So they didn't give a toss about where they finished in the league? That either means that Sam inherited a side with a shocking attitude or in seriously poor form, or both. The league table doesn't lie.

Viduka - "Known crock". Granted a player who had problems with injuries in the past, but also a player who'd played 80 games for Boro in the previous two seasons and scored 35 goals. Yeah - what a crock eh?

Geremi - again didn't perform at Newcastle but that didn't mean he wasn't a good player. Unless you think someone who'd been signed by Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho at Chelsea was a bad player. Didn't work out but doesn't mean it was a bad signing.

Smith - I'll give you that you may well be right on that one, plus he'd been a bit of a failure at United too so probably wasn't the best idea at the time. Oh well.

Rozenhal, Cacapa - you didn't lose money on either of these players...

It's all this stuff about him being a disaster when you were in mid table when he left you that's just bizzare. Yes he didn't set the world on fire but someone who takes over a losing side (as you had been doing) then takes them to mid table security deserves more time, especially given his previous achievements.

The fact you compared him to Ince who took a side who'd qualified for Europe multiple times in previous seasons to bottom of the league in the space of a couple of months is beyond comprehension.

Why don't I trust the words of Newcastle fans? Because they know fuck all.

You're making a mistake here imo. If a player doesn't fit in, it doesn't work out he's a bad signing. Doesn't have to say he's a bad player though. But that's so hard about being a manager. You can only say if a player was a good signing afterwards (or at least after one season) A good player doesn't automatically have to be a good signing. If it was that easy even I could be a good manager