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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 14:28:17 GMT
So Kuyt was highly rated enough by Van Marwijk and Benitez to be selected in the World Cup final and Champions League final, and Lucas was highly rated enough to play a handful of times for Brazil ...yet both are under rated just because a couple of fans who probably based their opinions off the media think so? Every club has 1 or 2 scapegoats it doesnt mean they are under rated. Next you'l be telling me Matt Taylor is under rated.
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 14:48:24 GMT
So Kuyt was highly rated enough by Van Marwijk and Benitez to be selected in the World Cup final and Champions League final, and Lucas was highly rated enough to play a handful of times for Brazil ...yet both are under rated just because a couple of fans who probably based their opinions off the media think so? Every club has 1 or 2 scapegoats it doesnt mean they are under rated. Next you'l be telling me Matt Taylor is under rated. So you have these two opinions: "the fans criticising these players are basing it on the media, who criticise them" "some players don't recieve a lot of media praise, and are therefore underrated" I watch every Liverpool game so i get a better view of the likes of Lucas and Kuyt than someone who doesn't, i think it's fair for me to call them underrated. Do you even know what the word 'underrated' means? You seem to think it means that everyone must think they're shit, when in fact it just means they're better than people think, or are worthy of more praise than they get. Which definitely applies to Lucas and Kuyt.
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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 15:04:00 GMT
So Kuyt was highly rated enough by Van Marwijk and Benitez to be selected in the World Cup final and Champions League final, and Lucas was highly rated enough to play a handful of times for Brazil ...yet both are under rated just because a couple of fans who probably based their opinions off the media think so? Every club has 1 or 2 scapegoats it doesnt mean they are under rated. Next you'l be telling me Matt Taylor is under rated. So you have these two opinions: "the fans criticising these players are basing it on the media, who criticise them" "some players don't recieve a lot of media praise, and are therefore underrated" I watch every Liverpool game so i get a better view of the likes of Lucas and Kuyt than someone who doesn't, i think it's fair for me to call them underrated. Do you even know what the word 'underrated' means? You seem to think it means that everyone must think they're shit, when in fact it just means they're better than people think, or are worthy of more praise than they get. Which definitely applies to Lucas and Kuyt. Whether you watch Liverpool every game is irrelevant if your trying to give a general perspective of the 2 players. They are both established international footballers. Everyone knows their games. They get plenty media coverage when they play well.They are in the spotlight too much to be under rated or over rated. Compared to someone like Holden who can be motm every week and go completely un-noticed.
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 15:36:09 GMT
that's nonsense imo.
you never thought Beckham was overrated when he was being talked about as if he was the best player in the world?
why must there be a comparison with a lower team's player? Why is that relevent? Sounds a lot like "eh £30's a lot of money!! compared to when i was a lad and we got thrippunce!!"
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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 16:22:27 GMT
that's nonsense imo. you never thought Beckham was overrated when he was being talked about as if he was the best player in the world? why must there be a comparison with a lower team's player? Why is that relevent? Sounds a lot like "eh £30's a lot of money!! compared to when i was a lad and we got thrippunce!!" Beckham in his peak was one of the best, at what he did. Lower teams players are not in spotlight anywere near as much as high profile prem players. There are probably numerous players in the lower leagues good enough for the top but dont get the recognition they deserve, or the attention from fans & media, hence they are under rated. A good example in Jimmy Bullard & leighton Baines, who got no attention at all for us in League 2. Then as we got to the Prem they suddenly got recognized as good players. He was under rated in League 2 as nobody knew his ability & potential, where as everybody knows all about Kuyt. Players like Kuyt are respected and known for the ability worldwide so its pretty hard to be under rated in comparison.
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Post by leanne on Nov 11, 2010 16:28:18 GMT
Weird thread.
A player can't be underrated if he gets a lot of media coverage?
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 17:18:12 GMT
Apparently
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Post by nigelhavers on Nov 11, 2010 17:21:19 GMT
Lee Cattermole. Loads of negative press but is infact a really good defensive midfielder and will only get better because a lot of people forget hes only 22.
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 17:25:37 GMT
nah he's not underrated, he plays in the Premier League mate, i've seen him in the papers.
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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 17:28:29 GMT
Happy to see thats all you to come back with. Nearly as poor as your team last night.
Cattermole is highly rated as a footballer. The fact he's become a thug more than ever just puts a big shadow over that.
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Post by fungia on Nov 11, 2010 18:23:39 GMT
I agree with std. especially if you bring up Kuyt. though one can be over rated in a top team, see loads of players and old internationals. but by definition you can't be underrated having played a world cup final and being called out as one of the most important players of both his club and country. though I think a player can be wrongly rated by media anyway. example Kim Källström in swedish public eye. he's not underrated but sometimes he's un- fairly rated. emilie heskey?
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 19:21:22 GMT
Happy to see thats all you to come back with. Nearly as poor as your team last night. how old are you?
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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 19:29:26 GMT
Happy to see thats all you to come back with. Nearly as poor as your team last night. how old are you? 64 next week
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:04:05 GMT
Tbf it's not impossible for a Premier League regular to be underrated (like Lucas and Kuyt for example) but i agree about Fletcher, he was underrated about 2-3 years ago but everyone knows he's quality now. Kuyt's played in Champions League & World Cup finals, how can he be classed as under rated? People dont like him because of his style admittedly just like with Lucas but that's not to say he's under rated. You big time gloryhunters need to look further down the table & leagues to see some proper under rated players. Holden of Bolton has been terrific this season despite hardly any praise in the media, as have James McCarthy & Matt Jarvis to name 2 more you're stupid
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:11:32 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine.
Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder.
Funny Bobothy mentions Lucas now though, after his first 3 good games in like what? 4 years?. Whenever I see you posting about football I have to laugh. Thanks for that mate
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Post by fungia on Nov 11, 2010 20:15:25 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. underrated by who? everyone except the madrid staff knew he was good. Or do you mean that he didnt get the recognition in comparison to ronaldo or perhaps zidane? makalele then went to chelsea, they seemed to rate him too.
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 20:16:54 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. Funny Bobothy mentions Lucas now though, after his first 3 good games in like what? 4 years?. Whenever I see you posting about football I have to laugh. Thanks for that mate Think you'll find i've been praising Lucas for about 18 months to 2 years now softlad. Don't let facts get in your way though.
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Post by monkeytennis on Nov 11, 2010 20:17:36 GMT
der effe, it's not sunday yet, you seem awful moody.
makelele was underrated at first but then he was talked about so much, every person who bleats on about football referred to the 'makelele position' to the point where has was probably overrated.
in the age of football manager, where people pass judgements on players because they have 18 finishing and 17 off the ball, any player can be underrated or overrated to the high fucking heavens.
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Post by ste on Nov 11, 2010 20:18:16 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. Funny Bobothy mentions Lucas now though, after his first 3 good games in like what? 4 years?. Whenever I see you posting about football I have to laugh. Thanks for that mate Fletcher is one of the first names on the team sheet for United in big games and regarded as a key midfielder in their team, and Makalele was always regarded as one of the best defensive midfielders of his era. Are you even a football fan?
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Post by fungia on Nov 11, 2010 20:19:48 GMT
der effe, it's not sunday yet, you seem awful moody. makelele was underrated at first but then he was talked about so much, every person who bleats on about football referred to the 'makelele position' to the point where has was probably overrated. in the age of football manager, where people pass judgements on players because they have 18 finishing and 17 off the ball, any player can be underrated or overrated to the high fucking heavens. good post
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