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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:24:01 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. underrated by who? everyone except the madrid staff knew he was good. Or do you mean that he didnt get the recognition in comparison to ronaldo or perhaps zidane? makalele then went to chelsea, they seemed to rate him too. Ofcourse everyone knew he was good. Football is a sport viewed by hundreds and hundreds of millions of people. It's impossible to be good without people knowing that you are nowadays. Getting not enough recognition is one of the aspects of being underrated. Fact is, certain players don't get credited enough for what they contribute to a team. You see a lot of teams with good defensive midfielders without them being underrated. They do their job well but don't bring balance into a team like others do. And these are the players I'm aiming at. To say you can only be underrated if you don't play for a top team is ridicolous. There are a of players who do really well at the lower teams (less pressure etc) but will fail once they play at a bigger stage. So I think it's fair to say that players often grow into the role of the very important, underrated force of the team. You can't say "He's an attacking midfielder" "He's a forward" or "Hey see that guy playing, he's the underrated player" |
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:28:58 GMT
der effe, it's not sunday yet, you seem awful moody. makelele was underrated at first but then he was talked about so much, every person who bleats on about football referred to the 'makelele position' to the point where has was probably overrated. in the age of football manager, where people pass judgements on players because they have 18 finishing and 17 off the ball, any player can be underrated or overrated to the high fucking heavens. and when was everyone talking about makelele? exactly, after he left madrid and they turned to shit. |
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Post by monkeytennis on Nov 11, 2010 20:33:51 GMT
der effe, it's not sunday yet, you seem awful moody. makelele was underrated at first but then he was talked about so much, every person who bleats on about football referred to the 'makelele position' to the point where has was probably overrated. in the age of football manager, where people pass judgements on players because they have 18 finishing and 17 off the ball, any player can be underrated or overrated to the high fucking heavens. and when was everyone talking about makelele? exactly, after he left madrid and they turned to shit. my second line ties in with the third. it was meant to show how fickle rating players is, and any player is susceptible. for example, no one sane would argue against drogba being one of the very best strikers in the world but in some respects i think he's actually underrated - in the sense that lots of people view him as a thuggish battering ram when few mention how good he is at laying on goals for teammates and how delicate and refined some of his touches are. |
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 20:36:07 GMT
i think most see Drogba as a diving cunt tbh
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:37:08 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. Funny Bobothy mentions Lucas now though, after his first 3 good games in like what? 4 years?. Whenever I see you posting about football I have to laugh. Thanks for that mate Think you'll find i've been praising Lucas for about 18 months to 2 years now softlad. Don't let facts get in your way though. you've praised him for not even being able to pass the ball to the man standing next to him? |
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Post by monkeytennis on Nov 11, 2010 20:39:30 GMT
i think most see Drogba as a diving cunt tbh well i was talking about his footballing abilities  |
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:39:39 GMT
Underrated is not about playing for a good team or for a shit team. I said Fletcher because he's one of these player who gets easily overlooked (others get the praise if a team is playing well) but he's one of these players who make it possible for others to shine. Like with Makelele at Madrid, they were a fucking rock solid balanced team when he was playing there and all of a sudden they sold him, played a few daft cunts who walk like girls and have good shirt sales on the midfield and where were they? Fucking nowhere for the last 6 or 7 years. Did he ever get the praise for providing balance in one of the best teams in the last 15 years? No he didn't, he was just seen as a good defensive midfielder. Funny Bobothy mentions Lucas now though, after his first 3 good games in like what? 4 years?. Whenever I see you posting about football I have to laugh. Thanks for that mate Fletcher is one of the first names on the team sheet for United in big games and regarded as a key midfielder in their team, and Makalele was always regarded as one of the best defensive midfielders of his era. Are you even a football fan? You can't really be an underrated player when you never play, can you? |
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 20:42:39 GMT
Think you'll find i've been praising Lucas for about 18 months to 2 years now softlad. Don't let facts get in your way though. you've praised him for not even being able to pass the ball to the man standing next to him? Eh? The lad's passing accuracy is up there with the best, and was last season as well. |
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 20:51:12 GMT
you've praised him for not even being able to pass the ball to the man standing next to him? Eh? The lad's passing accuracy is up there with the best, and was last season as well. With 'the man standing next to him' I actually meant a decent pass which adds something to the game, not giving the ball back to the defender you've received it from. If someone who's never seen or heard anything about football before reads your posts about 'stats' and stuff about Liverpool, they must think Liverpool have been unbeaten for the last 15 years |
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 20:55:07 GMT
Eh? The lad's passing accuracy is up there with the best, and was last season as well. With 'the man standing next to him' I actually meant a decent pass which adds something to the game, not giving the ball back to the defender you've received it from. If someone who's never seen or heard anything about football before reads about your posts about 'stats' and stuff about Liverpool, they must think Liverpool have been unbeaten for the last 15 years Yeh they would, if they were an idiot like yourself who likes to exaggerate everything. If they were a normal person they'd see that all i was doing is backing up my argument with facts. You're proving my point though, you don't rate Lucas and are using the tried and tested "he only passes sideways" bollocks you hear regularly from Soccer AM fans and Sun readers, thus proving he's underrated. Thanks. |
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Post by dereffe on Nov 11, 2010 21:02:27 GMT
With 'the man standing next to him' I actually meant a decent pass which adds something to the game, not giving the ball back to the defender you've received it from. If someone who's never seen or heard anything about football before reads about your posts about 'stats' and stuff about Liverpool, they must think Liverpool have been unbeaten for the last 15 years Yeh they would, if they were an idiot like yourself who likes to exaggerate everything. If they were a normal person they'd see that all i was doing is backing up my argument with facts. You're proving my point though, you don't rate Lucas and are using the tried and tested "he only passes sideways" bollocks you hear regularly from Soccer AM fans and Sun readers, thus proving he's underrated. Thanks. Like monkeytennis said, real life football ain't like football manager where you back everything up with 'stats'. These 'stats' or totally relative and 9 out of 10 times irrelevant. The facts are Liverpool haven't won a league title since 1991. It isn't my point to bash Liverpool though, they're my favourite team outside of the Netherlands. This is about you having the obsessive desire to disprove any criticism concerning Liverpool by irrelevant stats and praise everything concerning Liverpool to the point that it's highly laughable |
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Post by fungia on Nov 11, 2010 21:09:01 GMT
yay, der effe and bobothy arguing over football. hell anyone?
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Post by tucker on Nov 11, 2010 22:03:39 GMT
Yeh they would, if they were an idiot like yourself who likes to exaggerate everything. If they were a normal person they'd see that all i was doing is backing up my argument with facts. You're proving my point though, you don't rate Lucas and are using the tried and tested "he only passes sideways" bollocks you hear regularly from Soccer AM fans and Sun readers, thus proving he's underrated. Thanks. Like monkeytennis said, real life football ain't like football manager where you back everything up with 'stats'. These 'stats' or totally relative and 9 out of 10 times irrelevant. The facts are Liverpool haven't won a league title since 1991. It isn't my point to bash Liverpool though, they're my favourite team outside of the Netherlands. This is about you having the obsessive desire to disprove any criticism concerning Liverpool by irrelevant stats and praise everything concerning Liverpool to the point that it's highly laughable But that's not true in the slightest is it? One minute i'm told all i do is criticise Liverpool players and i can't make a post after a match without saying "Babel was shit, Cole was shit" etc. The next minute i'm told i don't accept any criticism of Liverpool. So you're now saying i haven't criticised Hodgson and the players this season at all? Or will you now change that argument because you sound stupid? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 12:19:27 GMT
in the age of football manager, where people pass judgements on players because they have 18 finishing and 17 off the ball, any player can be underrated or overrated to the high fucking heavens. This. There's a player called Per Ciljan Skjelbred who I always signed on FM, 08 I think, he was 4 star with a potential 5, but I'd never heard anything about him in real life, yet for a while I still believed he'd end up breaking through and becoming world class  Fergie, sign him up. |
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Post by eddiemurphy on Nov 12, 2010 13:29:39 GMT
kevin nolan - not sure about his lodging arrangement with mr carroll though.  |
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Post by henry on Nov 13, 2010 21:30:48 GMT
nah he's not underrated, he plays in the Premier League mate, i've seen him in the papers. spot on love this post (even though i mentioned a prem player in Holden myself) |
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Post by monkeytennis on Nov 13, 2010 21:33:03 GMT
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Post by henry on Nov 13, 2010 21:44:53 GMT
Fletcher is one of the first names on the team sheet for United in big games and regarded as a key midfielder in their team, and Makalele was always regarded as one of the best defensive midfielders of his era. Are you even a football fan? You can't really be an underrated player when you never play, can you? of course you can |
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Post by henry on Nov 13, 2010 21:48:14 GMT
Did i get the context wrong lol? My thinking is just that the Prem itself is overrated (and thus so is everything about it), although it has its good seasons and terrible ones (usually actually depending on how good the managers workng in the prem in any giving season) |
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Post by thegreathehe on Nov 13, 2010 22:51:46 GMT
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