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Post by fungia on Feb 24, 2011 10:56:29 GMT
I think you just did, barny.
Perhaps woman are too short to hold the bass properly and that's why they're not as ground breaking. If we are to define ground breaking by radiohead standards it is when they left out the guitars and where does that leave the music? Yeah, the base guitar. Heavier, longer and for a short woman in high heels it must be very difficult to even remotely come across as 'ground breaking', unless you mean in terms of fat chicks trying the base out and falling over lol.
Well, if you also look at Sweden. The band Sahara hotnights was once asked why there were so many good bands from sweden to which they replied "yada yada dark and suicides" bullshit answers instead of mentioning how it was very easy for them to get a rehearsal studio. The very same band has always refused to be known as "a female guitar band", just like that chick Joni Mitchell.
Perhaps that is the wrong way to go. I understand that they want to be seen as musicians, not female musicians. But if we again, like John Lennon, compared niggers with women, then what have the ground breaking black people and artist always been? Black people and artists who was proud of it. Instead of neglecting the way society is and downplaying the part of social structures that are massive hurdles to overcome for the people outside, like blacks before and always always women. Then perhaps it would be better for female artist to embrace it and say "yeah, fuck them men, we've had it way tougher and still made it and don't want to be mixed with them" instead of "let's not categorize us as something that everyone still does and make us look as fools." Because every woman knows that they still are looked upon as the other gender.
So when a female musician wants to be seen as a 'musician' rather than a 'female musician' I think she distance herself from her other 'sisters' and she also builds her personal identity from the norm that is the 'male musician'.
So before we can all be just 'musicians' people need to accept the fact that there are still 'male' and 'female' musicians that need to progress. But without leaving out other 'female musicians' thus playing the part not as of the 'other gender' but as 'another gender'.
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Post by Benoît Assou-Ekotto on Feb 24, 2011 10:57:27 GMT
No worries Andy  |
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Post by srk on Feb 24, 2011 14:38:55 GMT
Just a theory that I haven't really thought out, so feel free to bash away...
When you look at the type of music young teenagers get into, most boys tend to gravitate towards guitar music (or hip-hop, I guess) and teen girls tend to gravitate towards pop. (NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING EVERY GIRL ONLY LISTENS TO POP). And boys are generally more into music at a young age than girls.
So simply through the law of averages, there are more boys that are headed down the 'we're gonna form a band and change the world!' track than girls. That's obviously not the only reason (as there are several valid arguments noted above), but I'd reckon it has to play a part...
(ETA: and then I notice that magneto basically said the same thing. FFS.)
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Post by Simone on Feb 24, 2011 17:31:48 GMT
2) Females have a hard time getting along in a group  as ingenuous and superficial as that statement might sound, I have to agree with you here. Ask any woman and she'll say she'd rather work with a man than a woman. Our culture pushes them into being competitive with each other, and I've never seen any woman with a strong personality getting along easily with other women, especially at a post-adolescent age. Also, being in a band requires some dynamics. Leading/submissive roles work a bit different in the feminine world, due to their unique relationship between them (and the intolerance some of them have for the classic girlie behaviours). I don't think we'll see a band of heterosexual women as strong as Radiohead for now...I'm sure women as talented as, say Thom Yorke, would rather work alone. Lesbian bands are a great hope (and some of them are exceptional). |
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Post by fungia on Feb 24, 2011 19:59:17 GMT
what about women football/basketball/handball/rowing/skiing/cycling- teams/comedy- duos/theatre- groups/political- parties/female refugee- centres/lines- women?
what about oasis/the kinks/gazza/wazza/stefan schwarz/zidane/bob dylan/neil young/rolling stones/john and paul?
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Post by Simone on Feb 25, 2011 19:59:32 GMT
what about women football/basketball/handball/rowing/skiing/cycling- teams/comedy- duos/theatre- groups/political- parties/female refugee- centres/lines- women? what about oasis/the kinks/gazza/wazza/stefan schwarz/zidane/bob dylan/neil young/rolling stones/john and paul? Well, women in sports are a category on their own I guess, since they work in the interest of the football/etc team and not as individual creative forces, plus their role is decided by a higher authority (the manager). Theatre groups have their good share of competitions aswell, why not, we already know the story of the primadonnas (guess where the name comes from?!) fighting for the leading role. As for politics, our hope is that the people in politics are smart enough not to fall for these cultural traps. If you had any kind of interaction with women of your generation, you could see (and they would tell you) the same. |
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Post by 8track on Feb 25, 2011 20:03:37 GMT
why the need to do one half good post and one half pointless character assassination?
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Post by Simone on Feb 25, 2011 20:25:02 GMT
Yeah andy you're right, that was harsh, I don't know what came over me. I'm having troubles dealing with my rage. I still think that the insults were at least as good as the rest of the post! But i'll tell you one thing barny said to me once and it really made me understand alot about social dynamics:  |
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Post by secondcoming on Feb 25, 2011 20:49:09 GMT
Sorry Radiohead aren't groundbreaking at all, musically speaking at least. You could say they were groundbreaking in the same way that Oasis were with What's the story, but not musically. ;D Some very good music has been made by Radiohead but all Thom Yorke did was locking himself up in the basement for a few years listening to the entire Warp records catalogue. |
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Post by meinby on Feb 25, 2011 22:44:24 GMT
shenandoah sure is one annoying Fucker.
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Post by fungia on Feb 26, 2011 0:54:21 GMT
 stick to the music shenadohah
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Post by fungia on Feb 26, 2011 10:20:00 GMT
nice pm, shendandah. your way of making generalizations based on your little observation is not what I would call "academic language", it makes you look like a fool. you're going from discussing women from an individual perspective and uses them based to characterize female as a group. Nice one. You're language doesn't really put me off. It's got a little to do with how you portray yourself as a the high ground on how to think without acknowledging other people and their different perspectives. But it's more that annoying flag bearer for the "under privileged women". the youporn comment, what can i say. You totally pulled of the "character assassination", but it's not me who's dying. I always knew it was that "gay italian" comment i threw out a while ago that me your aim for your personal vendetta. Good little discussion otherwise. I still agree with mahoney, backstreet and would like to read that paper of your, magneto. |
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Post by Simone on Feb 26, 2011 17:17:01 GMT
nice pm, shendandah. your way of making generalizations based on your little observation is not what I would call "academic language", it makes you look like a fool. you're going from discussing women from an individual perspective and uses them based to characterize female as a group. Nice one. You're language doesn't really put me off. It's got a little to do with how you portray yourself as a the high ground on how to think without acknowledging other people and their different perspectives. But it's more that annoying flag bearer for the "under privileged women". the youporn comment, what can i say. You totally pulled of the "character assassination", but it's not me who's dying. I always knew it was that "gay italian" comment i threw out a while ago that me your aim for your personal vendetta. Yeah I sent you a PM because (as I said in the PM) I don't like being harsh in public because people can get offended by public attacks or whatever, especially if they think there's some kind of misunderstanding going on and I invited you to talk. By that time, only one user had seen my little comment so there was no harm done, really. And yeah, I wrote you I think you are a moron that hides behind the "easy going" guy personality and doesn't even have the decency of being direct in his comments. And of course you confirmed everything I said by replying me in public and not in private, hiding again behind the finger of your public persona, omitting what I said so the people who read only get your prospective on things and (again) you didn't have the decency of writing me a direct message and maybe tell me you think I'm a cunt, who knows, that would have been better than this pavid attempt. You are a very inconsistent man. |
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Post by eddiemurphy on Feb 26, 2011 17:46:14 GMT
men played most of the instruments in all the mentioned female artists. ;D good singers though. |
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Post by eddiemurphy on Feb 25, 2019 3:31:21 GMT
i see this has blown up on youtube recently. david bowie said the following about them. n a 1999 interview with Rolling Stone, Fanny fan David Bowie revealed his respect for the band:[12] One of the most important female bands in American rock has been buried without a trace. And that is Fanny. They were one of the finest... rock bands of their time, in about 1973. They were extraordinary... they're as important as anybody else who's ever been, ever; it just wasn't their time. Revivify Fanny. And I will feel that my work is done. — David Bowie recent article on em. www.theguardian.com/music/2018/mar/01/fanny-behind-the-reunion-of-a-groundbreaking-all-female-rock-band |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 15:09:49 GMT
Fungia seemed a bit of a PC freak, didn't he? Train wreck of a debate really. I'd rank Polly Harvey, Chan Marshall and Joanna Newsom up there with anyone but don't sit around thinking 60% of men take up my collection thus I must better myself for the extra 10%. And if I've missed the point again then perhaps consider it intentional |
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