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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 0:34:21 GMT
I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. This ffs, THIS!He's an immigrant, he came to the UK eight years ago and has worked there ever since. He's now naturalized as a resident of England. Just like millions of other people who immigrate for work or whatever other reason. You consider immigrants as part of England do you not? Why would he be different, because he's a footballer? because he isn't black? because he isn't a refugee? how is he somehow not English compared to others in his exact same situation who happen to not be rich and famous? Reverse racism here fellas.... let him fucking play for England. |
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Post by Andy on Aug 23, 2010 0:45:53 GMT
If you think Arteta is English then you're thick.
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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 0:58:56 GMT
How is he any different then some random guy from South America/Africa/the Middle East who moved to England eight years ago for work...
Is that person not just as "ENGLISH?"
Obviously culturally he isn't a traditional Englishman but neither are millions of other "English" people, why is he different?
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Post by rbbrslmn on Aug 23, 2010 0:59:54 GMT
I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. This ffs, THIS!He's an immigrant, he came to the UK eight years ago and has worked there ever since. He's now naturalized as a resident of England. Just like millions of other people who immigrate for work or whatever other reason. You consider immigrants as part of England do you not? Why would he be different, because he's a footballer? because he isn't black? because he isn't a refugee? how is he somehow not English compared to others in his exact same situation who happen to not be rich and famous? Reverse racism here fellas.... let him fucking play for England. arteta isnt an immigrant. any european whos come to england just to work for a bit in any job isnt an immigrant, he hasnt come to start a new life he came to play footy for a few years. and theres no such thing as naturalised for europeans. |
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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 1:05:15 GMT
How the fuck is he not an immigrant?
He's moved to the UK and has lived and worked there for eight years.
Whether he makes millions playing football or pennies cleaning nightclub toilets is absolutely irrelevant.
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Post by jkr on Aug 23, 2010 1:07:36 GMT
I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. This ffs, THIS!He's an immigrant, he came to the UK eight years ago and has worked there ever since. He's now naturalized as a resident of England. Just like millions of other people who immigrate for work or whatever other reason. You consider immigrants as part of England do you not? Why would he be different, because he's a footballer? because he isn't black? because he isn't a refugee? how is he somehow not English compared to others in his exact same situation who happen to not be rich and famous? Reverse racism here fellas.... let him fucking play for England. what do you think it would be his answer if you ask him for his nationality? what do you think it would happen if he's called by Spain? |
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Post by rbbrslmn on Aug 23, 2010 1:15:16 GMT
How the fuck is he not an immigrant? He's moved to the UK and has lived and worked there for eight years. Whether he makes millions playing football or pennies cleaning nightclub toilets is absolutely irrelevant. a spaniard coming to england to work a normal job for a few years (lots do, the galleries and arts centres in liverpool are full of spaniards for some reason) isnt an immigrant. an immigrant is someone whos here to stay. |
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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 1:15:48 GMT
This ffs, THIS!He's an immigrant, he came to the UK eight years ago and has worked there ever since. He's now naturalized as a resident of England. Just like millions of other people who immigrate for work or whatever other reason. You consider immigrants as part of England do you not? Why would he be different, because he's a footballer? because he isn't black? because he isn't a refugee? how is he somehow not English compared to others in his exact same situation who happen to not be rich and famous? Reverse racism here fellas.... let him fucking play for England. what do you think it would be his answer if you ask him for his nationality? what do you think it would happen if he's called by Spain? He would probably choose Spain as he's culturally Spanish. My point is that this happens hundreds of times with all kinds of players in all kinds of different situations. What about all the African players playing for their adopted homes in Europe, or the African-descent players from Europe who represent African countries they've never lived in? What about the born and bred Englishmen who represent Ireland/Wales/etc... cos one of their grandmothers was born there? etc... etc... etc... how are those legitimate and not an eyebrow raiser but this one is apparantly abhorrent? |
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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 1:16:58 GMT
How the fuck is he not an immigrant? He's moved to the UK and has lived and worked there for eight years. Whether he makes millions playing football or pennies cleaning nightclub toilets is absolutely irrelevant. a spaniard coming to england to work a normal job for a few years (lots do, the galleries and arts centres in liverpool are full of spaniards for some reason) isnt an immigrant. an immigrant is someone whos here to stay. Have you talked to Arteta about where he plans to live once he retires? How is that even relevant. Does an English guy who leaves work at 50 and lives the next 25 years of his life in southern Spain simply become Spanish because that's where he "chooses to stay?" |
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Post by jkr on Aug 23, 2010 1:23:34 GMT
what do you think it would be his answer if you ask him for his nationality? what do you think it would happen if he's called by Spain? He would probably choose Spain as he's culturally Spanish. My point is that this happens hundreds of times with all kinds of players in all kinds of different situations. What about all the African players playing for their adopted homes in Europe, or the African-descent players from Europe who represent African countries they've never lived in? What about the born and bred Englishmen who represent Ireland/Wales/etc... cos one of their grandmothers was born there? etc... etc... etc... how are those legitimate and not an eyebrow raiser but this one is apparantly abhorrent? Don't get me wrong, my opinion is the same for all the players in similar situations but the thread is about Arteta. I did't understand Senna playing for Spain either (even I don't give a fuck about Spanish team). |
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Post by Andy on Aug 23, 2010 1:42:45 GMT
At the end of the day Arteta is not in any way, shape or form English. The fact that he's not African is completely irrelevant, yes? Discussion over.
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Post by bet welching prick on Aug 23, 2010 1:48:36 GMT
At the end of the day Arteta is not in any way, shape or form English. The fact that he's not African is completely irrelevant, yes? Discussion over. So the millions of randoms from all over the world that come to the UK in search of work/a better life and hold strong to their own heritage (whilst still assimilating at a reasonable pace, learning the language, etc...) are not English as well? You're essentially in line with the BNP in that case. |
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Post by Andy on Aug 23, 2010 2:52:50 GMT
He's fucking Spanish, is that so hard to comprehend? By your logic if I move to Nicaragua and live there for a while I'm Nicaraguan, when obviously I'm far from it. Jesus Christ.
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Post by brad on Aug 23, 2010 6:32:51 GMT
Cool your pants Andy, just because you'll never be better than us
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Post by orch on Aug 23, 2010 7:38:51 GMT
At the end of the day Arteta is not in any way, shape or form English. The fact that he's not African is completely irrelevant, yes? Discussion over. So the millions of randoms from all over the world that come to the UK in search of work/a better life and hold strong to their own heritage (whilst still assimilating at a reasonable pace, learning the language, etc...) are not English as well? You're essentially in line with the BNP in that case.ffs   |
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Post by caspergomez on Aug 23, 2010 8:56:43 GMT
I was against it but I guess as people rightly point out none of us batted an eyelid when Senna starred for Spain in Euro 2008. I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. ffs, he was a youth a Barca, starred in the PSG side that contained Anelka, Gaucho (thats Ronaldinho to you btw), Heinze and Cisse, won the treble with Rangers scoring the goal that won the title then went to Real Sociedad for 4millionish. But he made his name only when he played in the Premeriship???  your a tube |
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Post by orch on Aug 23, 2010 9:11:09 GMT
No but you appear to have answered your own question anyway, you tit. If that's the case then mate, you've lost your whole argument with mathiuiui. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2010 11:36:15 GMT
I'd quite like to see Dave Orchard as England manager. Bit of English pride in the job.
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Post by leanne on Aug 23, 2010 11:55:18 GMT
I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. This ffs, THIS!He's an immigrant, he came to the UK eight years ago and has worked there ever since. He's now naturalized as a resident of England. Just like millions of other people who immigrate for work or whatever other reason. You consider immigrants as part of England do you not? Why would he be different, because he's a footballer? because he isn't black? because he isn't a refugee? how is he somehow not English compared to others in his exact same situation who happen to not be rich and famous? Reverse racism here fellas.... let him fucking play for England. The fella in my sig backs up your point. |
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Post by leanne on Aug 23, 2010 11:58:21 GMT
he was a youth a Barca, starred in the PSG side that contained Anelka, Gaucho (thats Ronaldinho to you btw), Heinze and Cisse, won the treble with Rangers scoring the goal that won the title then went to Real Sociedad for 4millionish. But he made his name only when he played in the Premeriship I quite agree. |
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