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Post by abs on Aug 23, 2010 17:12:56 GMT
I was against it but I guess as people rightly point out none of us batted an eyelid when Senna starred for Spain in Euro 2008. I'm still not sure what to think. On one hand it is a bit of a pisstake, but on the other hand playing for a country where you've made your name and where you've presumably absorbed some of the local customs and traditions is probably less tenuous than playing for a country just because your grandma was born there. ffs, he was a youth a Barca, starred in the PSG side that contained Anelka, Gaucho (thats Ronaldinho to you btw), Heinze and Cisse, won the treble with Rangers scoring the goal that won the title then went to Real Sociedad for 4millionish. But he made his name only when he played in the Premeriship??? your a tube # Fuck off you silly cunt...you're just pissed off because I was belittling his achievements with Rangers but anyway... Barca - he clearly didn't make his name since he didn't even play for the first team France - He spent a season and a half in his teens out on loan there - again not really making your name - it's hardly like he was being hounded by top clubs at the time. It doesn't matter who you're playing alongside. Rangers - the idea of making your name whilst playing for Rangers: - making your name in Scotland isn't the same as actually making your name. A lot of us down here knew a bit about him because Scots football has reasonable coverage here but rest of the world wouldn't have been that familiar with him. The list of players that have done great in Scotland and shite elsewhere is massive.... He played half a season at Sociedad. At Everton he's consistently been amongst the best midfielders in the league for the last five seasons, and whilst the Premier League might not be the best league in the world it's in the top three for both profile and quality. Clearly that's a step above anything he's done previously and has lifted his profile massively. So yes, in conclusion, he has made his name in England. Bellend ;D
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Post by rbbrslmn on Aug 23, 2010 17:24:48 GMT
also: winning the treble in scotland has the same international status as winning a corner in england.
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Post by dereffe on Aug 23, 2010 18:01:26 GMT
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Post by bobothy on Aug 23, 2010 18:03:05 GMT
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Post by orch on Aug 23, 2010 19:01:10 GMT
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Post by caspergomez on Aug 24, 2010 8:04:42 GMT
ffs, he was a youth a Barca, starred in the PSG side that contained Anelka, Gaucho (thats Ronaldinho to you btw), Heinze and Cisse, won the treble with Rangers scoring the goal that won the title then went to Real Sociedad for 4millionish. But he made his name only when he played in the Premeriship??? your a tube # Fuck off you silly cunt...you're just pissed off because I was belittling his achievements with Rangers but anyway... Barca - he clearly didn't make his name since he didn't even play for the first team France - He spent a season and a half in his teens out on loan there - again not really making your name - it's hardly like he was being hounded by top clubs at the time. It doesn't matter who you're playing alongside. Rangers - the idea of making your name whilst playing for Rangers: - making your name in Scotland isn't the same as actually making your name. A lot of us down here knew a bit about him because Scots football has reasonable coverage here but rest of the world wouldn't have been that familiar with him. The list of players that have done great in Scotland and shite elsewhere is massive.... He played half a season at Sociedad. At Everton he's consistently been amongst the best midfielders in the league for the last five seasons, and whilst the Premier League might not be the best league in the world it's in the top three for both profile and quality. Clearly that's a step above anything he's done previously and has lifted his profile massively. So yes, in conclusion, he has made his name in England. Bellend ;D no just cos your knowledge of the game is limited to what sky sports tells you doesnt mean your right. He was outstanding at PSG and very hightly talked about. I, along with countless other knew of him from then. You're the same spastic who once banged on about how good a player Modric was when he tore England apart not realising anyone with a semi decent education on football had known he'd been tracked by many top clubs for 2 years at Zagreb. Arteta had been on many folks radar way before Rangers let alone the premiership, just cos Andy Gray didnt tell you about him ;D
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Post by tucker on Aug 24, 2010 14:56:34 GMT
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Post by dereffe on Aug 24, 2010 14:57:50 GMT
still laughing tbh
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Post by abs on Aug 24, 2010 16:49:33 GMT
# Fuck off you silly cunt...you're just pissed off because I was belittling his achievements with Rangers but anyway... Barca - he clearly didn't make his name since he didn't even play for the first team France - He spent a season and a half in his teens out on loan there - again not really making your name - it's hardly like he was being hounded by top clubs at the time. It doesn't matter who you're playing alongside. Rangers - the idea of making your name whilst playing for Rangers: - making your name in Scotland isn't the same as actually making your name. A lot of us down here knew a bit about him because Scots football has reasonable coverage here but rest of the world wouldn't have been that familiar with him. The list of players that have done great in Scotland and shite elsewhere is massive.... He played half a season at Sociedad. At Everton he's consistently been amongst the best midfielders in the league for the last five seasons, and whilst the Premier League might not be the best league in the world it's in the top three for both profile and quality. Clearly that's a step above anything he's done previously and has lifted his profile massively. So yes, in conclusion, he has made his name in England. Bellend ;D no just cos your knowledge of the game is limited to what sky sports tells you doesnt mean your right. He was outstanding at PSG and very hightly talked about. I, along with countless other knew of him from then. You're the same spastic who once banged on about how good a player Modric was when he tore England apart not realising anyone with a semi decent education on football had known he'd been tracked by many top clubs for 2 years at Zagreb. Arteta had been on many folks radar way before Rangers let alone the premiership, just cos Andy Gray didnt tell you about him ;D what do you want, a fucking medal? I was 16 years old when he was at PSG. How do you know countless others thought he was outstanding, did you do a survey? Bottom line is that if he'd made his name he wouldn't have ended up at fucking Rangers if he was that highly rated at the time, and he wouldn't have gone from Sociedad to Everton for £2 million if he'd made his name by then. And about Modric, big deal, I don't remember you going on about him before the England - Croatia game loads either, the sports section was around and you were posting on it. Where did you get your knowledge about Modric from Iain, is there a special channel in Scotland that shows the Croatian League because your own league's so shit? Or did you read some articles about clubs tracking him at the time and watch a few youtube videos, because thats so much of an insight? Big clubs send scouts out all over Europe, to expect most football fans to know about players in leagues we have little access to regular games from, just because the big clubs are tracking them is utterly stupid. My knowledge is obviously the Premier League, also La Liga and Serie A because I can watch full games every so often, occasional Bundesliga games though they hardly get shown here, and a bit of the Scottish League/Championship as if there's nothing much on I might watch those. Also the clubs that play in the Champions League and Europa League, though seeing their players for one or two games would never make me conclude, like you would, that I knew all about them. Difference is I'll be honest about what I know, I'm hardly the Dave Orchard of this section. You feel the need to paint yourself on a fucking internet forum as some football guru. Well done mate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 17:02:05 GMT
I knew Modric was mint thanks to Footy Manager.
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Post by rbbrslmn on Aug 24, 2010 17:03:44 GMT
never trusted football manager on players since everton bought Ibrahima Bakayoko.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2010 17:05:05 GMT
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Post by monkeytennis on Aug 25, 2010 17:21:59 GMT
re: arteta, why the fuck not? "ooh he´s spanish, he has a foreign name", fuck right off.
one of my best mates always says that you should play for the country you´re born in. I usually then ask him who, if I was good enough at football (stay with me here, i know it´s a stretch), I should play for, knowing I was born in India and would choose England in a fucking heartbeat (not just cos they are better than India...possibly). He then flounders and shuts up.
i´d take arteta for england in a flash. almost every other country is doing it anyway. germany were the best team to watch at this world cup, look how many of their players could have played for different nations. laughing stock? stick it up your cunt. it´s a different world, it´s a changing world. it´s not a world where di stefano can play for colombia, argentina and spain in his career anymore. and therefore it´s better. whatever hackneyed revisionism and borderline racism and/or vapid ignorance states.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 19:20:25 GMT
never trusted football manager on players since everton bought Ibrahima Bakayoko. he was absolutely legendary, I won 300 european cups with him in my team. When Everton signed him I was so excited
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Post by Andy on Aug 28, 2010 17:50:29 GMT
So apparently there's actually some substance to all this with Capello having met Arteta.
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Post by orch on Aug 29, 2010 9:54:59 GMT
re: arteta, why the fuck not? "ooh he´s spanish, he has a foreign name", fuck right off. one of my best mates always says that you should play for the country you´re born in. I usually then ask him who, if I was good enough at football (stay with me here, i know it´s a stretch), I should play for, knowing I was born in India and would choose England in a fucking heartbeat (not just cos they are better than India...possibly). He then flounders and shuts up. But you've lived in this country your whole life right? There's a big difference, just because he's lived here for 5 years only because he plays football here shouldn't mean he should play for England just because he's not good enough to get in the Spanish team.
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Post by tucker on Aug 29, 2010 13:10:13 GMT
TBF though, he's competing for a position in which the Spanish team have a fucking plethora of immensely talented players
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Post by orch on Aug 29, 2010 13:29:33 GMT
So that means he should play for England? Just because he can't get into the Spanish team?
He's not English, he's played football in this country for five years like a shit load of other foreigners have. If we start doing that than we may as well have the whole English team full of foreign football players who have been playing in the Premier League for five years.
Baz compared it to him but Baz has lived here his whole life n lived like an English man, he hasn't just come over here to work for five years because to play in the Premier League. Arteta came over here for the money.
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Post by tucker on Aug 29, 2010 13:41:13 GMT
Well no I'm not saying he definitely should, I was just making a point about when you say "he's not good enough to get into the spanish team" it's not like he's being kept out of the team by someone like Gareth Barry is it?
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Post by monkeytennis on Aug 29, 2010 13:50:42 GMT
re: arteta, why the fuck not? "ooh he´s spanish, he has a foreign name", fuck right off. one of my best mates always says that you should play for the country you´re born in. I usually then ask him who, if I was good enough at football (stay with me here, i know it´s a stretch), I should play for, knowing I was born in India and would choose England in a fucking heartbeat (not just cos they are better than India...possibly). He then flounders and shuts up. But you've lived in this country your whole life right? There's a big difference, just because he's lived here for 5 years only because he plays football here shouldn't mean he should play for England just because he's not good enough to get in the Spanish team. fair point orch but what would you have as the cut-off point? genuine question.
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