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Post by eddiemurphy on May 17, 2016 11:50:45 GMT
costa out. i'd be doing cartwheels.
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Post by krburg on May 17, 2016 12:11:17 GMT
yeah the fuss over wilshere being picked is mainly cos other fans don't really like him. he is comfortably england's best midfielder if he is fit, and doesn't take long to hit the ground running from injury (until being injured again). as soon as he came on for arsenal the other week, we looked much better. Also he has played well for england too on a number of occasions. ...........Hart............ Clyne...Smalling...Cahill...Rose .......Wilshere...Dier.......... Sterling...Alli......Vardy .........Kane............... Looks tasty as fuck to be honest. I assume Rooney will play ahead of either Sterling or Vardy. I hope Henderson doesn't get the nod, never seen him play well for England. That would be similar to my 11 except I'd have Rooney in for Vardy, play him behind Kane and move Alli out left. And Lallana instead of Sterling. I think Woy will most likely play Henderson next to Dier I would have thought, just for that extra 'protection'..
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Post by Stocky 2: Cruise Control on May 17, 2016 12:32:27 GMT
In a 4-2-3-1 I'd go with Lallana on the right. Not sure about the left though, Rooney is too immobile, not sure Vardy could do a job there and Sterling is really out of form. I guess i'd have to go for Sterling.
Dier and an in form Wilshere are definitely our best options for sitting midfielders.
A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation is also tempting, as with that formation Vardy and Kane could be played as orthodox strikers. However it leaves us ludicrously vulnerable defensively. In that formation Dier would again be the base and you might have to bring Henderson in *shudder* alongside Wilshere in the midfield 2, so that Ali can operate at the tip of the diamond.
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Post by krburg on May 17, 2016 12:49:27 GMT
In a 4-2-3-1 I'd go with Lallana on the right. Not sure about the left though, Rooney is too immobile, not sure Vardy could do a job there and Sterling is really out of form. I guess i'd have to go for Sterling. Dier and an in form Wilshere are definitely our best options for sitting midfielders. A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation is also tempting, as with that formation Vardy and Kane could be played as orthodox strikers. However it leaves us ludicrously vulnerable defensively. In that formation Dier would again be the base and you might have to bring Henderson in *shudder* alongside Wilshere in the midfield 2, so that Ali can operate at the tip of the diamond. I think because the defence is the weakest link, he'll have two sitting in front. In the last few friendlies, specifically against Germany, he set up the way that Spurs play, which I think is what he'll do. So have Dier and Wilshere/Henderson/Milner/Delph sitting, with Wilshere et all being the link between defence and attack, but also dropping in to cover the full backs who will act as the width. So ideally you want Wilshere playing the Dembele role with Rose/Bertrand and Clyne/Walker playing as wing backs. Kane up top then three 'creative' players behind him. I would let Alli do what he usually does, and then have Rooney in the Eriksen role and Lallana the other side, playing how he did for Pochetino at Southampton. It'll be a high pressing & high energy team, which is why I think the Liverpool players might get the nod, because that is what both Pch and Klop play, Clyne & Lallana have played that system under both of those managers so know what is required. Rooney is a worker anyway. My only gripe with Wilshere in that role is his fitness, can he do that high pressing, up and down, and be creative enough having not played all season? I think Henderson or Milner might get in ahead of him for that reason.
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Post by titchjuicy on May 17, 2016 14:51:45 GMT
Hart
Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose
Dier (sitting) Wilshere (sitting) Barkley (right) Alli (behind Kane) Rooney (left)
Kane
Vardy and Sterling as impact subs. We don't need pace out wide with Clyne and Rose bombing forward.
On their day there's nothing to choose between Barkley, Alli and Wilshere. All fantastic midfielders. And Rooney absolutely has to play.
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Post by monkeytennis on May 17, 2016 15:13:11 GMT
And Rooney absolutely has to play. Why though? I'm not massively opposed to it, but what does he actually add now? Tournament experience sure, but that's never really done us much good.
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Post by titchjuicy on May 17, 2016 15:23:45 GMT
All round experience, captaincy experience and ability to control the game from anywhere on the park. I think it's pointless thinking of him as a striker anymore.
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Post by titchjuicy on May 17, 2016 15:31:26 GMT
Just realised i've agreed exactly with Kev apart from Lallana/Barkley.
I think Barkley on his day is our best player. a couple of years ahead of Alli in development.
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Post by barny on May 17, 2016 15:36:01 GMT
Manager included?
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Post by barny on May 17, 2016 15:38:29 GMT
Javi Martínez, Monreal, Mario, Bernat, Mata, Cazorla, Alcácer (top scorer in qualifying), Diego Costa out
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Post by srk on May 17, 2016 15:46:16 GMT
And no torres! All he does is win stuff.
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Post by barny on May 17, 2016 16:15:47 GMT
tbh he's been amazing lately, better than the last 4-5 years for sure
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Post by bornslippy on May 17, 2016 16:43:43 GMT
vardy would be a sub for me. i like me pace. so sturridge would play. Hahahaha. Rashford is definitely one of the three to go. I'd like Henderson to be one of he other two but would be bit strange to call him up after his injury only o drop him again. Hopefully he'll break hi leg in a warm up game or something.
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Post by bornslippy on May 17, 2016 16:47:19 GMT
Barkley is a great player on his day but the least confident player in the premier league. Does seem to play better for England than Everton these days though.
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Post by srk on May 17, 2016 16:52:44 GMT
The one nice thing about delph is that he can be a bit of a swiss army knife, and you can put him all over the place. That said, from what little he's done this year, due to injuries and Pellegrini BAFFLINGLY preferring fernando over him, I don't think he should go.
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Post by krburg on May 18, 2016 12:04:45 GMT
And Rooney absolutely has to play. Why though? I'm not massively opposed to it, but what does he actually add now? Tournament experience sure, but that's never really done us much good. For me, he's still our most assured player and his vision and range of passing is second to none in our squad. It's been stressed for years by his peers and pundits that he would eventually drop back a bit, because he is a better midfielder than most other midfielders.. It's an obvious comparison, but he reminds me of Scholes, always has. We don't have anyone in the squad who can pass the ball as well as him, who see's the things that others don't and someone who always seems like he's two or three moves ahead of everyone, like Scholes, or Sheringham before him.
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Post by Fuzzy Dunlop on May 18, 2016 12:49:15 GMT
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Post by monkeytennis on May 23, 2016 11:33:41 GMT
Vardy being farmed out to the left doesn't really work, does it? I take Kev's point on Rooney but still not completely convinced. Luckily for all involved, I have no influence in matters. But bearing all that in mind, and with England seeming to look more natural and fluid in a diamond midfield with 2 uptop, i'd revise my team to: ...........Hart............ Clyne...Smalling...Cahill...Rose ............Dier................ Sterling.............Wilshere... ...........Alli................ ........Kane...Vardy........... I suspect he'll go with Walker over Clyne, but I think Clyne is a bit more adept defensively, and he would need to be with Sterling in front (and yes, Sterling should play). Most fish-out-of-water is Wilshere, but he can drop more central to dictate tempo and range and Rose can overlap, with Dier dropping back into defence if necessary. It theoretically allows our most advanced 3 players to play their natural game, whilst hopefully protecting a quite shakey looking backline. I'm starting to get a bit hyped about the Euro's now, as you can tell
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Post by titchjuicy on May 23, 2016 11:38:18 GMT
Why would you play Sterling in any lineup? He's had a shit season, is a one trick brainless pony and as soon as defenders have worked out how to play against his pace (they have), he offers nothing. Awful decision making. Bang average player.
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Post by monkeytennis on May 23, 2016 11:55:07 GMT
'shit season' is harsh, as is 'brainless'. he's got a way to go, but in the formation england probably look best in, who else would you pick on the right hand side? at his best, he can invent the game from moment to moment and beat his man with decent regularity. considering we are too defensively unsure to go with gung-ho fullback play, i'd rather have sterling probing further up the pitch. i mean, andros townsend has been very good for newcastle and scored a couple of cracking goals for england, but he is so fucking predictable (cut in on left, twat ball hard) that any decent international defender could pin him down easier than sterling (over the course of 90 minutes at least, i can see his value as a sub after 70 mins or so)
i like lallana, especially under klopp, but he's a flicky, continuity player and i can't see that formation working to his strengths. barkley has worse decision making. james milner would be a bit of a trudge on the wings.
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