internet has destroyed music

The only thing that gets on my nerves/worries me slightly, is these days people can download any record going, will listen once or twice, then move onto the next thing straight away. There doesn't seem to be any real sticking with an album going on. Not as much as when people actually went doon the shops to buy records anyway.

Imagine spending 16 squid on a new album then listening once or twice then going back and buying another. Over n over n over. You wouldn't would you? It feels like too many people (idiots, mainly) treat music as this almost disposable fleeting thing now its all easy to get for free.

Back in 94, when i bought say, Deffo Maybe, i'd come home and play it each n every day, sometimes twice a day, after school. It gave the music time to really get across and seep into my impressionable teenage mind. I'd lay on my bed and read/stare at the booklet as it played, loving every second. It was an experience, quite frankly. I imagine vinyl records before it, even more so. I used to love all that.

Anyway, that post was possibly a bit slapdash, but i hope some of you know what i'm groping at. Kids are coming up now and to my eyes not treating music with half the respect, attention, and time i reckon it deserves.

And i'm guilty of it too these days, absolutely. And i piss myself off no end So now i'm trying to get somewhere back to that, and giving records more chances to impress me before moving on to the next, or before putting forward any real opinion on it. Forums like this, and social-networking makes that hard, mind. Really hard, as we crave instant opinion

The vinyl/CD reading thing is gone for good though. The interwebs killed that off for good. Not just in downloads, but the simple fact that you can now load records onto an iPod and walk aboot doing other things, or simply sit like a smelly potato and read drivel on the internet as you listen, like what we're doing now.

Different teems, innit.

vinyls are far from dead yet tbh. i steal a cuntload of music but buy vinyls, just for the joy of physical media. don't think i'm alone either

MUSIC IS DISPOSABLE.
Horizon's right.
I dont give a fuck about who "discovers" new bands.
Thatst he problem. We try to like too much. More than he can handle. Then we lose the connetion we could've made with any of those bands. Say, Oasis is one of them. If they were starting now they'd sell some shit with their first LP, then slowly disappear and chart at 64.
Populations change, unfortunately the ones that we used to look at and despise OUTNUMBER US. that's how it is.

we cant possibly try and explain anything when the most popular radio stations in the world play a disposable kind of shit music, that excites these (low level-everything) people for a while, until they move on to the next. music really is a mirror of society. kinda like you can show me any city in the united states and i'll tell you what they are listening to.

and taking this into what people in colleges listen - SAME SHIT. for example, i WONDER how many people are gonna wear pretty green at the BDI gig. Pretenders, posers, fakes, phoneys. EVEN THE ONES THAT DON'T LISTEN TO THAT SHIT RADIO STATION, THEY ARE STILL JUST AS SHIT AS THE REST. Because they PRETEND. Music doesn't mean nothing to them.

I kind of got off track there.


ps -fuck you karl mahoney. the only good things you ever gave to the world:
1) that package they REALLY couldnt wait for
2) the coral bsides (which i didnt need as i bought all the cd's and 7''s anyway)
3) the northern soul collection, which i must admit, was good, with a few exceptions

nope, only wanks like you do that. It's still all about music and the songs, always will be

the past few years, ive really stopped following the internet speed of discovering new bands, it's just too tiring. Babu's right there, i cant really be bothered listening to all of these new bands coz it's going too fast. What i believe though is that a good band will always make room for its music, bar one or two examples. Coz now, more than ever, music is segmented, so there's a market out there for everybody.

My brain can really swallow what, 4 new bands a year, to give them time to really get in there. I really dont think anyone can really and fully appreciate 20 new bands a year or it's their pay job.

That's really the good pace for me now, plus there's always old acts coming back which are familiar so that's the good way to go. Like old times...

;D

Yeah, vinyl has had a mini resurgence, but its nowhere near a mainstream, popular thing to buy vinyl records these days. No one really buys CDs anymore (apart from really die-hard fans of a band, collecters, older people, Tesco shoppers) yet they still sell vastly more than vinyl

Though I meant more in terms of people just sitting back with the album and giving it your full attention. I actually can't remember the last time I put everything down, laid on the bed/sofa and just listened to something. These days I find it nigh on impossible to concentrate on just the one thing.

Like others have mentioned, it all just feels so rushed and so much quicker these days. We move onto other things quicker as we don't wanna be left behind or miss anything. So in the end, as Long John says, nothing really gets across to the listener like it had previously.

I still think Oasis would be big if they came along now, but i know that i for one wouldn't invest so much time into listening to them, and giving them my absolute full attention. And i just find it a shame tbh.

You can't blame the kids now, as this instant satisfaction culture is all they know. Everything is there for the taking, within a few clicks on a screen - so who the hell is gonna spend time listening to one record or one band over n over? So they listen to the new Arctic Monkeys, think that's good, then maybe go back to it a few days later, then the new Kings Of Leon leaks, so they move onto that. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

We read many posts (even on here) where people go "Oh i listened to that a few weeks back, and it didn't really do it for me so i didn't bother listening again". Which is fair enough, i do that too, loads. But the problem is, thats not really giving it a fair chance is it? Sometimes records take a few listens to start growing on you and making a real impression, yet we'll never know that, cos we're already onto the next thing

Its just the 'instant satisfaction' nature of these days i find worrying. And its not just music, its everything. Films, telly, books, magazines, websites. There's so much available that nothing really gets a chance to stick.

I kind of agree with Babs in a way. I dont agree with the 'they were so last week' shit because music is personal and if you only listen to trends you are obviously some kind of cunt who is going to miss out on a whole host of fantastic artists.

But there is so much music available and so many recomendations that its almost a perpetual search for amazing records and I don't give things enough time. Like Horizon says, music from the 90's people just listened to more because it was expensive and you gave it time. I can probably recite all the words to every oasis album pre Heathen Chemistry even through I've not listened to them too much recently because I gave them so much time when they were new to me.

I can't even think what the last album released that I am completely familiar with is. Probably Love is Hell and that was 2003.

There is a flip side to that though. The records I do generally love I will always listen to again and again. For every record I listen to once or twice & think NAH & never get around to hearing again there will be at least a handful I'd of discovered through not wasting time on the record I didn't think much of which chances are I'd of never of liked much anyway.

End of the day it's personal preference. Would I want to go back to 10 years ago where I could only hear 10 new records a year that I'd of found out about through commercial radio & magazines? Hell no.

I'll download 80+ records a year and sure a bunch of them I may only ever hear three times & if I'd spent 15 hours listening to each one maybe a few of those would of gone on to be records I really like but do I care? Not really. By the end of the year I'll have a reasonable batch of records that I would of really enjoyed that I'll be listening to for years to come so for that reason my ears will be much much better off.

I'd choose today over yesterday every single time.

Think there is alot of nostalgia going on in this thread too. The reason why the majority of us listened to the same 10 cd's 3,000 times in the 90's was 1. We were young & didn't have the money to spunk on CD's & couldn't steal from the net & most importantly 2. Most of us only listened to Britpop. Once you'd been through all the Shed 7 & Cast records what else was there?

Thanks to the internet in 2011 the only records I will of heard won't be just Kings Of Leon, Arctic Monkeys, Beady Eye & Kasabian. I'll be trying out all kinds of shit & some will stick & some won't but I'll be much better off for it.

You are probably onto something there with the nostalgia commnt. When you think, when Sotsog came out we spent most of our time playing football, cricket and fucking about all day. If you compare that to something like Suck it and See where the first five listens will probably be at work its just not going to seem the same.

Saying that I cant't help thinking things are a bit diluted now. I know the choice use to be shit and limited but now its the opposite. There is so much choice it is hard to know where to look/listen first.

Its like when you get sky tv. At first you get blown away by the amazing selection of channels. Then you realise that 90% of it is regurgitated gash and you spend most of your time moaning that nothing is on.

great post

Just listen to me Balldog, I will guide you through these dark times. Your new terabyte hard drive will give you access to the most exciting music to be heard on this planet in Billy Childish, Shit Horse & 27, not out.

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''constantly on top of the curve'' are you?

your post reads as if it was written in 2004.

the internet destroyed the 20th century business model of packaging and selling music. nothing else. music itself isn't dead.

just as many good artists today as there ever was. it's more difficult for them to make money, sure, but no point in blaming the internet or pretending things were better ten years ago. because they weren't. the days of the tightly-sewn cartel of record companies and their favoured media outlets is over, it's gone, it's not coming back, so quit bleating and deal with the present.

useless, overhyped bands deserve to be forgotten regardless of how recently they last released an album. talent will always shine through regardless.

Themis, if you are referring to my signature you will find it is all tongue in cheek.

But Also, All the best American bands, the UK had to 'discover' before the states would take any notice ;D

So actually I should add Yeah yeah yeahs, strokes, white stripes & BRMC into my signature as I discovered those as well.

But how many minutes of music do you get for a terabyte? You'll have to break it down and recommend for me and i'll probably never hear half of it.

Saying that I'll let you know when i've bought a new hard drive.

I was on about getting all the old music in better quality/louder mp3's.

You'd never want to hear half the shit on my hard drive.

Although Babs has started an 'internet ruining music' thread, it makes you realise how much people on here care about music really. Reading the responses, people just want to find good tunes. Thats refreshing when you think 90% of people you meet just listen to what MTV and adverts recommends.

I'm not getting all lovey dovey though, we're still all cunts.

BTW, I just bought a second terabyte hard drive as back up for my back up. Gonna get a third & bury it over the horse field incase there is ever a huge fire around the estate.

Got to keep those 2736 records from 2011 that I've downloaded & will never even bother to listen to safe.